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edits to sj Miller
Hi Pax-
Thanks so much. Here are a few edits. MY CV is really full-- so feel free to dialogue more with me... see your email. Below, the word transdisciplinary is important to add.
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I. When you introduce me, please include: a transdisciplinary award winning teacher/writer/activist/scholar, I. Add section on Research Miller's research areas includes Social justice, critical race theory, feminist theory, geospatial theory, spatiality and temporal theories, critical discourse analysis, anti-bullying theory/pedagogy and critical literacy. At the center of Miller's research are transdisciplinary perspectives on social justice which cut across theory, epistemology and pedagogy. II. Awards--Reorder so it reads: 2005–Paul and Kate Farmer English Journal Writing Award, Article of the Year, "Shattering Images of Violence in Young Adult Literature: Strategies for the Classroom"[14][15] 2007-Richard A. Meade award, National Council on Teacher Education, "Unpacking the Loaded Teacher Matrix: Negotiating Space and Time Between University and Secondary English Classrooms"[15] 2015–Joanne Arnold Courage and Commitment Award, University of Colorado Boulder[2][15] other awards: 2012 Essential Book for Professionals Who Serve Teens," by Voices of Youth Advocate Magazine Awarded to Generation Bullied 2..0 Generation BULLIED 2.0: Prevention and Intervention Strategies for Our Most Vulnerable Students 2008 Best Book from International Writing Centers Association Scholarship Award for Creative Approaches to Writing Center Work 2007 Most Outstanding English Education Advisor Indiana University of Pennsylvania 2007-08 2006 Awarded Excellence in Writing (2006 APEX: Awards for Publication Excellence) for issue of English Journal, for my contribution of Shattering Images of Violence in Young Adult Literature: Strategies for the Classroom 2004 PFLAG Honoring Diversity Award Santa Fe, NM 2001 Mayor’s Award For dedication to community service in Santa Fe, NM 2000 Human Right's Award Humanitarian and social justice award advocate for gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender youth, Santa Fe, NM 2000 Most influential teacher Santa Fe High School III. Under Selected Pubs: These are not written as APA. Is that on purpose? Please add my additional pubs Journal Articles- Refereed/Peer Reviewed Invite Miller, s. (submitted). Reframing schooling to decarcerate gender identity. Miller, s. (forthcoming). The CEE commission for social justice: A history of Its realization 2003-2010. Retrieved from… Miller, s. & Burns, L. (in press). Standard VI: Realizing social justice dispositions in teaching and teacher education. Scholar-Practitioner Quarterly, 9(3), Burns, L., & Miller, s. (2017). Social justice policymaking in teacher education from conception to application: Realizing Standard VI. Teachers College Record, 119(3). Retrieved from http://www.tcrecord.org/Content.asp?ContentId=21682 Miller, s. (2016). Trans*+ing Classrooms: The pedagogy of refusal as mediator for learning. Social Sciences, 5(34), 1-17. Miller, s. (2016). Ubuntu: Calling in the field. English Education, 48(3), 192-200. Conference on English Education. (2016). Resolution for Dismantling the School- to-Prison Pipeline. NCTE. Retrieved from http://www.ncte.org/positions/statements/school-to-prison Miller, s. (2015). A queer literacy framework promoting (a)gender and (a)sexuality self-determination and justice. GALA Journal: A Journal of the Gender in Literacy and Life Assembly, 21(1), 31-42. Miller, s. (2015). Why schooling must move into a trans*/post-trans* era. Journal of Language and Literacy Education. Retrieved from http://jolle.coe.uga.edu/scholars-speak-out/ Miller, s. (Guest Ed.) (2015). Labeling “GIFTED” or “SPECIAL”: Perpetuating the mis-measure of students. English Journal, 105(1). Miller, s., & Haberl, E. (2015). Repairing the Mis-measuring of Identity. English Journal, 105(1), 16-20. Miller, s. (2015). A queer literacy framework promoting (a)gender and (a)sexuality self-determination and justice. English Journal, 104(5). 37-44. Miller, s., Burns, L., & Johnson, T.S. (2015). Under The Radar: Special Interview with sj Miller, Leslie David Burns, and Tara Star Johnson, editors of the recently published Generation BULLIED 2.0: Prevention and Intervention Strategies for Our Most Vulnerable Students, Alan Review. Retrieved from http://www.alan-ya.org/publications/under-the-radar/ Miller, s. (2014). English is “Not just about teaching semi-colons and Steinbeck”: Instantiating dispositions for socio-spatial justice in English Education. Scholar-Practitioner Quarterly, 8(3), 212-240. Miller, s. (2014). Cultivating a disposition for sociospatial justice in English teacher preparation. Teacher Education and Practice, 27(1), 44-74. Alsup, J., & Miller, s. (2014). Reclaiming English education: Rooting social justice in dispositions. English Education, 46(3),195-215. Miller, s. (2014). Text complexity and “comparable literary merit” in young adult literature. Alan Review 41(2), 44-55. Miller, s. (2013). Losing and gaining a self: Affirming the body, mind and spirits of transgender youth. Educational Leadership Quarterly, 35(3), 12-13. Miller, s. (2013). AP Gatekeeping: Exploring the myths of using YAL in an AP English classroom. Alan Review, 40(2), 79-84. Miller, s. (2012). Flawed visions of democracy in the United States: Influences on current critical social justice research. Journal of Curriculum Theorizing, 28(2), 92-103. Miller, s. (2012, October 8). Power + wealth + structural reinforcement of the norm = Myth of poverty. (Essay Commissioned in Response to the 2013 Annual Meeting Conference Theme). Washington: DC, American Educational Research Association. Retrieved October 8, 2012 from http://www.aera.net/AnnualMeetingOtherEvents/EssayThemeCommentProject/MythofPoverty/tabid/13501/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/1168/Myth-of-Poverty.aspx. Miller, s. (2012). Mythology of the norm: Disrupting the culture of bullying in schools. English Journal, 101(6), 107-109. Miller, s., Bieler, D., Bolf-Beliveau, L., Charest, B., George, M.A., King, J., & Williamson, P. (2011). Applying the CEE position statement Beliefs about Social Justice in English Education to Classroom Praxis. English Education, 44(1), 63-82. Miller, s. (2011). Demythologizing “Real” ity TV: Critical implications for a new literacy. International Journal of Critical Pedagogy, 3(3), 135-152. Conference on English Education Commission on Social Justice. (2010). Resolution on social justice in literacy education. NCTE. Orlando: FL. Retrieved from http://www.ncte.org/press/2010resolutions Miller, s., & Slifkin, J. (2010). “Similar literary quality”: Demystifying the AP English Literature and Composition open question. Alan Review, 37(2), 6-16. Conference on English Education Commission on Social Justice. (2009). CEE position statement: Beliefs about social justice in English education. First Biennial CEE Conference. Chicago: CEE. Retrieved from http://www.ncte.org/cee/positions/socialjustice Miller, s. (2008). Liberating grades/liberatory assessment. International Journal of Critical Pedagogy, 1(2). 160-171. Miller, s. (2008). “Speaking” the walk: “Speaking” the talk: Embodying critical pedagogy to teach young adult literature. English Education, 40(2), 145- 154. Miller, s. (2007). Foregrounding preservice teacher identity in teacher education. Teacher Education & Practice, 19(2), 164-185. Miller, S. (2005). Shattering images of violence in young adult literature: Strategies for the classroom. English Journal, 94(5), 87-93. Miller, S. (2005). Students as agents in classroom change: The power of cultivating positive expectations. Journal of Adolescent & Adult Literacy, 48(7), 540-546 Miller, S. (2004). SLAM! poetry as a genre for social activism: Empowering discourses during troubling times- how to teach, assess and construct SLAM in the secondary classroom. The Utah English Journal, 32, 24-36. Miller, S. (1993). Jewish adult children of divorce; A support group. Journal of Jewish Communal Service, 70(2/3). Invited Chapter and Peer-Reviewed in Books Miller, s. (forthcoming). Planning concept map for peace and sustainability. In Title TBA…… (pp XX-XX). UNESCO, TBA, Location TBA. Miller, s. (forthcoming). Trans*ing pedagogy: Recognition of trans* and gender creative youth in the secondary ELA classroom. In S.C. Carothers, D. Hucks, C. Lewis, V. Showunmi, and Y. Sealey-Ruiz (Eds.), Purposeful Teaching and Learning in Diverse Contexts: Education for Access, Equity and Achievement (pp. XX-XX). Miller, s. (2016). Queer literacy framework. In N. Rodriguez, W. Martino, J. Ingrey, and E. Brockenbrough (Eds.), Critical concepts in queer studies and education: An international guide for the 21st century (pp. 259-272). New York: Palgrave MacMillan. Miller, s. (2015). Reading YAL queerly: A queer literacy framework for inviting (a)gender and (a)sexuality self-determination and justice. In D. Carlson and D. Linville (Eds.), Beyond borders: Queer eros and ethos (ethics) in LGBTQ young adult literature (pp. 153-180). New York: Peter Lang. Miller, s. (2015). Learning from equity audits: Powerful social justice in English education for the 21st Century. In L. Scherff & E. Morrelll (Eds.), New directions in teaching English: Reimagining teaching, teacher education, and research (pp.107-120). New York: Rowman & Littlefield. Miller, s. (2014). Moving an anti-bullying stance into schools: Supporting the identities of transgender and gender variant youth. In S. Steinberg and A. Ibrahim (Eds.), Critical youth studies reader (pp. 161-171). New York: Peter Lang. Miller, s. & Gilligan, J. (2014). Heteronormative harassment: Queer bullying and gender non-conforming students. In D. Carlson and E. Meyer (Eds.), Handbook of gender and sexualities in education (pp. 217-229). New York: Peter Lang. Miller, s. (2014). Hungry like the wolf: Gender non-conformity in young adult literature. In C. Hill (Ed.). The critical merits of young adult literature: Coming of age (pp. 55- 72). New York: Routledge. Miller, s. (2014). Spatializing social justice research in English education. In C. Compton-Lilly and Erica Halverson (Eds.), Time and space in literacy research (pp.122-133). New York: Routledge. Miller, s. (2009). (Dis)Embedding gender diversity in the preservice classroom. In S. Steinberg (Ed.), Diversity and multiculturalism: A reader (pp. 193- 209). New York: Peter Lang. Miller, S. (2008). ‘Literativity’: Reconceptualizing creative literacy learning. In S. Bruce, & K. Dvorak (Eds.), Creative approaches to writing center work (pp. 85-93). Hampton Press. Miller, S. (2008). Reeinvisioning preservice teacher identity: Matrixing methodology. In J. Flood, S.B. Heath, and D. Lapp (Eds.), Handbook of research on teaching literacy through the visual and communicative arts, Volume II (pp. 151-159). New York: Lawrence Erlbaum Associates. Miller, S. (2006). SLAM! Genre for social activism. In S. Steinberg, P. Parmar, & B. Richard (Eds.), Contemporary youth culture: An international encyclopedia (pp. 493-504). Westport: Greenwood.
Miller, s. (2017). Why (a)gender identity matters now, more than ever: Perspectives during a Trump Era. New York: Metropolitan Center for Research on Equity and the Transformation of Schools: New York University. Peer Reviewed Books Miller, s & Rodriguez, N. (Eds.). (2016). Educators queering academia: Critical Memoirs. New York: Peter Lang. Miller, s. (Ed.). (2016). Teaching, affirming, and recognizing trans and gender creative youth: A queer literacy framework. New York: Palgrave MacMillan. Miller, s., Burns, L., & Johnson, T.S. (2013). Generation BULLIED 2.0: Prevention and intervention strategies for our most vulnerable students. New York: Peter Lang. Miller, s. & Kirkland, D. (Eds.). (2010). Change matters: Critical essays on moving social justice research from theory to policy. New York: Peter Lang. Miller, s., Beliveau, L., DeStigter, T., Kirkland, D., & Rice, P. (2008). Narratives of social justice teaching: How English teachers negotiate theory and practice between preservice and inservice spaces. New York: Peter Lang. Miller, s., & Norris, L. (2007). Unpacking the loaded teacher matrix: Negotiating space and time between university and secondary English classrooms. New York: Peter Lang.
IV. I give talks all over the world- any chance I can send you my CV? I have attached it in the email. I give keynotes nationally and internationally. There are so many.. do you want me to highlight some? V. I'd like a section on Media as well- see CV- (you can pull from my CV or website) Please note that I make TV and Radio Appearances VI. Under Career: Please edit out (as this is not accurate-- it's a sliver of the story)- the fall of 2010, Miller helped draft a statement on social justice in education for the National Council of Teachers of English.[9][10] To read: sj is The National Council Teachers of English (NCTE) Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Issues in Academic Studies Advisory Committee Board Member, AERA's Division G Affirmative Action Officer, and AERA's Queer SIG Co-Chair, and consultant for the College Board, AP English Literature Table Leader. sj helped draft the Beliefs Statement about Social Justice in English Education and helped pass the NCTE Resolution on Social Justice in Literacy Education, which informed the newly-vetted CAEP Social Justice Standard 6-the first ever standard in the United States that advances social justice work in teacher preparation. sj helped co-create the newly Conference on English Educations Commission and NCTE Resolution on Commission for Dismantling the School-to-Prison Pipeline, was recently appointed Peter Lang series co-editor of Social Justice Across Contexts in Education and the new series Queering Teacher Education Across Contexts. Please also add: Miller is an Advisory Board Member and Curriculum Specialist for the LGBTQ Tolerance and Identity Collection on PBS LearningMedia. |
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjmiller (talk • contribs) 02:01, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
- Hi Sjmiller - I was happy to start this page as I felt you were notable enough for a Wikipedia biography, but I think you have a bit of a wrong idea about how things work on here. Wikipedia isn't like a web hosting site or press kit, and I'm not comfortable with someone (anyone - not just you) dictating to me (or any other editors) how their biography should read on Wikipedia. If there are major inaccuracies that need corrected (and have reliable sources for the correct information) that's fine to point out, but beyond that it's not really proper to dictate exactly how a page about you should read. Wikipedia biographies are written about people, not for people. I hope that makes sense. Funcrunch (talk) 04:02, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
- Also see Wikipedia:Core content policies for information on what can and can't be included in a Wikipedia page. Funcrunch (talk) 04:15, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
- You would still be angry if I use they/them/their. Beebeenewan (talk) 01:26, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Beebeenewan: Are you personally connected with @Sjmiller? You seem to be taking a particular interest in editing this page. Funcrunch (talk) 16:52, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
- I am interested in editing the page and I want to revert my edits. Beebeenewan (talk) 23:31, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
- I think you meant you want to restore your edits. In any case, as I just noted on your talk page, you need to stop edit warring. This article does not misgender sj Miller, and it was already stated in the lead that Miller does not use personal pronouns. I won't revert your latest edit, but if someone else does and you restore it you might end up reported and blocked. Funcrunch (talk) 23:50, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
- I moved the part talking about sj Miller not using pronouns down to the personal life section. Beebeenewan (talk) 00:09, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
- I think you meant you want to restore your edits. In any case, as I just noted on your talk page, you need to stop edit warring. This article does not misgender sj Miller, and it was already stated in the lead that Miller does not use personal pronouns. I won't revert your latest edit, but if someone else does and you restore it you might end up reported and blocked. Funcrunch (talk) 23:50, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
- I am interested in editing the page and I want to revert my edits. Beebeenewan (talk) 23:31, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Beebeenewan: Are you personally connected with @Sjmiller? You seem to be taking a particular interest in editing this page. Funcrunch (talk) 16:52, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
I just changed "incorrect" to "wrong" as they are the same thing. 2001:8003:E9EE:1301:9194:8F7E:E189:D948 (talk) 09:09, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
Assistance with reordering footnotes
Please support me here- I am unable to renumber my citations. Lachoza (talk) 21:22, 8 December 2024 (UTC) — Lachoza (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Reinstatement of pronouns
Hi, I've noticed some slow edit warring about the use of the pronoun 'their'. According to the personal life section...
Miller is agender and nullpronominal (does not use any personal pronouns)
This is backed up by the references , and .
Per Self-identification, it is my understanding that we would use the person's preference?
Pinging @Babysharkboss2:, @2001:8003:746e:5301:e99e:9d7d:ffb4:ee50: who have disagreed with the use of 'their'
I suggest Miller is also a cat trainer and has their own catparkour training business.
to
Miller is also a cat trainer and owns a catparkour training business
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This reads better and eliminates the need for any pronoun. Knitsey (talk) 12:49, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
- It should say, "Miller is also a cat trainer and has Miller's own cat parkour training business." 1.146.87.135 (talk) 15:13, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
- and sj Miller would still get angry if you use they/them/their. 1.146.87.135 (talk) 15:14, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
- In the "Early life and education" section, it should say, "Miller was disowned by Miller's family after coming out as agender-transgender." 1.146.87.135 (talk) 15:16, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
- It is now "1.146.87.135". 1.146.87.135 (talk) 15:19, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
- It is also "cat parkour" as it is two words. 2001:8003:746E:5301:B199:A442:5874:90E9 (talk) 02:52, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with the cat parkour thing. However, changing all pronouns to Miller's name is something I will get WP:POINTY over. ☩ (Babysharkboss2) 12:06, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- Can you please stop edit warring? 2001:8003:746E:5301:E99E:9D7D:FFB4:EE50 (talk) 13:53, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- sj does not use pronouns. 2001:8003:746E:5301:E99E:9D7D:FFB4:EE50 (talk) 13:59, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Babysharkboss2, if you do not stop edit warring, I will take this to the edit warring noticeboard. You have not given any reasonable basis for your reverts. Qwerfjkltalk 14:20, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- Edit warring is happening again. 2001:8003:746E:5301:E99E:9D7D:FFB4:EE50 (talk) 13:53, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- Note that all of these IP addresses geolocate to Australia; I suspect they are the same person. — Qwerfjkltalk 14:23, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- I never doubted it was the same person. But, after reviewing WP:1AM, I will back away.
though I think not using pronouns is stupid, I clearly don't have consensus.
☩ (Babysharkboss2) 14:34, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- That's better. 2001:8003:746E:5301:E99E:9D7D:FFB4:EE50 (talk) 00:39, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
- I never doubted it was the same person. But, after reviewing WP:1AM, I will back away.
- @Babysharkboss2 @Qwerfjkl @Knitsey maybe it would make sense to update the rules for pronouns in articles, and get an overall consensus on how wikipedia should approach agender folks in general. Gaismagorm (talk) 01:34, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Wikipedia people, sorry about the 'hit and run' post. I've had problems logging in issues until now.
- @Gaismagorm, I think some further guidance should be forthcoming for how we write about agendered people. I don't really have the skills to write good prose when not using any pronouns, it can sound like poor English composition when I try. I think I will ask some people from the Wikipedia LGBTQ+ community to step in to give some advice. It is 3am here, so I will do that late today. Knitsey (talk) 02:09, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
- fair enough, my post was also kind of 'hit and run'. Gaismagorm (talk) 14:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
- The Neopronouns RfC was closed with consensus that neopronoun use in articles is
unhelpful to readers
and that they/them pronouns are acceptable for all subjects (MOS:SINGULARTHEY). I don't think it's a huge stretch (at least, not requiring another RfC) to apply the same consensus to apronouned individuals. Based on this, the article can use they/them pronouns for Miller, although it would be polite to do so as sparingly as possible. - Solely for reference (style in sources has no direct bearing on our implementation of GENDERID), the LGBTQ Nation article declares
In the interest of not wanting to offend but to impart clear information, this report uses Sj Miller’s last name as often as is possible without cluttering the meaning unnecessarily
. It uses "he" twice to refer to Miller in constructs where Miller's name would otherwise be repeated awkwardly. –RoxySaunders 🏳️⚧️ (talk • stalk) 16:41, 15 April 2025 (UTC)- Thank you for the input @RoxySaunders. I think that there are parts where the article would read much better, and conform to English language standards. Reading the article, would it be preferable to use singular they/their rather then gendered he/she?
- I'm thinking that an editing note might also be useful for future editors? Knitsey (talk) 16:54, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- The only sentence that reads poorly right now is the last sentence of the Early life and education section. I didn't spot any uses of the singular they elsewhere, but that sentence seems like it might need one. I support changing that sentence, and I suggest adding a note explaining that Miller eschews the use of personal pronouns, but we used a singular they in that place in order to increase clarity for the reader.
- I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you respond. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 18:38, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- @MjolnirPants, would you be happy to suggest an editing note? Knitsey (talk) 22:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- Sure. I would format it something like this:
While Miller prefers to use no pronouns at all and only to be referred to by name, this article has elected to use the singular they in a limited capacity, to avoid grammar which might be difficult for some readers to parse.
I would also include the three cites supporting the existing statement about Miller's pronouns (or lack thereof) in the note. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 02:19, 16 April 2025 (UTC)- That looks fine to me. Knitsey (talk) 12:30, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- @MjolnirPants, it doesn't look like there are any objections to your text. Before I add it, do you think it is worth adding 'see talk page' to it? Or just leave it as is? Knitsey (talk) 13:32, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- That might be a good idea, yeah. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:00, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- @MjolnirPants, it doesn't look like there are any objections to your text. Before I add it, do you think it is worth adding 'see talk page' to it? Or just leave it as is? Knitsey (talk) 13:32, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- That looks fine to me. Knitsey (talk) 12:30, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Sure. I would format it something like this:
- @MjolnirPants, would you be happy to suggest an editing note? Knitsey (talk) 22:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
CV
The four sections that read like a pure CV need to be brought down to a reasonable level. I eliminated some. But it's still excessive. GMGtalk 22:08, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- I've done some cleanup on the bibliography stuff. Formatted it into a table and removed the mention of Miller's name in every goddamn entry. Honestly, I think those two sections could use some further trimming (one of the entries failed verification so I left it out) and be merged into one, but I can't take the time to do that right now. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:40, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- It is not necessary to be so aggressive with comments or language. Kindly ask for edits please. 2601:8C3:857F:BD60:10C9:23CB:3C95:D547 (talk) 01:06, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
Possible COI editing
Re the edit summary of this recent edit by @Lachoza and their history of edits to this article, I suspect undisclosed COI editing, and left them a talk page message about it. Funcrunch (talk) 21:44, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- if the word "my" was there, that was a typo. There is no COI 2601:8C3:857F:BD60:10C9:23CB:3C95:D547 (talk) 01:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- How do you know this? Funcrunch (talk) 04:40, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- There are many academics who keep their editing skills alive by doing so and students have assignments. Part of their grade. Lachoza (talk) 21:36, 6 June 2025 (UTC) — Lachoza (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- That... makes no sense.
- @Lachoza: As I stated on your talk page, if you are sj Miller or editing this article on Miller's behalf, you have a conflict of interest, and need to declare it. See WP:COI. Funcrunch (talk) 22:23, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- there is no COI- I already told you! 2601:8C3:857F:BD60:5478:7878:B821:C783 (talk) 22:29, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- Are you @Lachoza editing while logged out? Funcrunch (talk) 22:31, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- I am not sure what you mean. I am logging off. Have a lovely weekend. Lachoza (talk) 22:33, 6 June 2025 (UTC) — Lachoza (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Hi. I am rather confused about the template tags at the beginning of the article. I am a former graduate student of Dr. Miller‘s. Is this what I’m not understanding about COI? Is there something we can do to get this resolved? Lachoza (talk) 22:30, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for your more helpful response. If you are editing under Dr. Miller's direction, then you have a COI. If you're just making these edits on your own with no instruction or involvement from Dr. Miller, then you probably don't. Funcrunch (talk) 22:56, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
- In my experience, graduate students have a fairly close working and personal relationship with their advisors. If Lachoza was a "graduate student of" Miller, that's a COI to me. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 23:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
- I am a former grad student, this was at least 8 years ago. So, may I step out of this? If we have more updates, do I still enter them? I don't know how wikipedia works. We want to ensure that a history is told accurately. Lachoza (talk) 15:13, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- I'd recommend reading WP:COI for help in determining whether or not you have a conflict. If you do, you are still welcome to suggest updates here, but we discourage directly editing the article. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:15, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- Who is this "we" you are referring to? Please understand that this is an article in an encyclopedia, not a résumé or personal web page. Neither the subject nor any individual or group of editors has the right to control the narrative. Funcrunch (talk) 15:44, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- If you "don't know how wikipedia works", I strongly suggest you learn more before continuing to edit. Start with small edits, like fixing typos and grammar, on pages other than this one. Funcrunch (talk) 15:46, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- That helps them. May I submit the advocacy work then? Lachoza (talk) 17:10, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- I am a former grad student, this was at least 8 years ago. So, may I step out of this? If we have more updates, do I still enter them? I don't know how wikipedia works. We want to ensure that a history is told accurately. Lachoza (talk) 15:13, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- In my experience, graduate students have a fairly close working and personal relationship with their advisors. If Lachoza was a "graduate student of" Miller, that's a COI to me. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 23:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for your more helpful response. If you are editing under Dr. Miller's direction, then you have a COI. If you're just making these edits on your own with no instruction or involvement from Dr. Miller, then you probably don't. Funcrunch (talk) 22:56, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
- Are you @Lachoza editing while logged out? Funcrunch (talk) 22:31, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- there is no COI- I already told you! 2601:8C3:857F:BD60:5478:7878:B821:C783 (talk) 22:29, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- There are many academics who keep their editing skills alive by doing so and students have assignments. Part of their grade. Lachoza (talk) 21:36, 6 June 2025 (UTC) — Lachoza (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- How do you know this? Funcrunch (talk) 04:40, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- I've notified the LGBTQ Studies WikiProject about this discussion. Funcrunch (talk) 15:58, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- I made a report to WP:COI/N at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#sj Miller two days ago as an uninvolved editor, following the notice to LGBTQ+ Studies. So far there has been no response from anyone other than Lachoza. I have notified and warned this user not to edit this article unless and until there is further guidance and to try to always log in before making any contribution to the site. In the process, I identified some other IP edits (see linked threads). One of these may be a third party, maybe the subject of this article, or maybe both are Lachoza. I can't tell. If there's no word from COI/N after a week, I offered to make my own assessment and provide feedback to Lachoza. Now I worry I've over-complicated things by inserting myself. FYI to @Funcrunch and @Firefangledfeathers. --MYCETEAE 🍄🟫—talk 15:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- After six days with no response from COI/N, I left my recommendations for Lachoza (Special:Diff/1296063757). Briefly, these are to consider the relationship COI and to disclose appropriately, to propose changes on the Talk page, and to not remove the
{{COI}}tag themself. --MYCETEAE 🍄🟫—talk 15:38, 17 June 2025 (UTC)- Greetings colleagues. I appreciate everyone’s help here and truly admit that in the error was done intentionally it was done from lack of understanding protocol. The issue with the suggested edits seem to be addressed by you. That said going forward based on your recommendations I will appear to call.Can we please remove the tag? Lachoza (talk) 16:19, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oops, that should’ve said unintentionally. Lachoza (talk) 16:20, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your follow-up. I wanted to clarify that I did mention I was a former graduate student of Dr. Miller’s approximately eight years ago. I disclosed this during a prior talk, after reviewing the Conflict of Interest (COI) page.
- As far as I understand, there has been some discrepancy—one person indicated this does not constitute a COI, while another suggested it might. I’d appreciate any further clarification you can provide so I can ensure everything is handled appropriately.
- Thank you.
- Lachoza (talk) 16:35, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- Greetings respected team; has anyone had a chance to take a look at my comments? Lachoza (talk) 15:21, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- I continue to believe you have a COI, and I'd urge you to submit proposals here rather than editing the article directly. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:23, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- For clarity, submitting proposals here would typically mean using the {{Edit COI}} template to request an edit. A simple guide to making a COI edit request is here, and tips on how to make a successful edit request can be read here. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 16:27, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- How shall I respond? I am no longer going to make edits about Dr. Miller. I will leave that to wikipedia. That said, would you kindly remove the tag at the top? There is no COI. Lachoza (talk) 17:34, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- Would somebody kindly please get back to me? I am doing everything I can to have this situation resolved. I am requesting your assistance. Thank you.. I just don’t want this to continue to drag on. Can you kindly give me some direction? I appreciate you guys.
- Lachoza (talk) 16:27, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- If the edit your requesting is removal of the COI tag, I would decline. We generally remove those tags after an editor without a COI reviews the whole article for neutrality. If you have suggestions about how to make the article more neutral, I'm all ears! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:29, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- So if I can remove some information, then put it in the COI chat that the would be best route to go? Lachoza (talk) 16:31, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- If the edit your requesting is removal of the COI tag, I would decline. We generally remove those tags after an editor without a COI reviews the whole article for neutrality. If you have suggestions about how to make the article more neutral, I'm all ears! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:29, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- How shall I respond? I am no longer going to make edits about Dr. Miller. I will leave that to wikipedia. That said, would you kindly remove the tag at the top? There is no COI. Lachoza (talk) 17:34, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- For clarity, submitting proposals here would typically mean using the {{Edit COI}} template to request an edit. A simple guide to making a COI edit request is here, and tips on how to make a successful edit request can be read here. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 16:27, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- I continue to believe you have a COI, and I'd urge you to submit proposals here rather than editing the article directly. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:23, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- Greetings respected team; has anyone had a chance to take a look at my comments? Lachoza (talk) 15:21, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oops, that should’ve said unintentionally. Lachoza (talk) 16:20, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Mycetae… are you able to assist me so I can get this resolved? No one‘s getting back to me and I’m not really sure what to do at this point. I have asked several times to have the tag removed and I’m really at a loss here.
- Lachoza (talk) 16:29, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- I've tried to review all of @Lachoza's contributions which were still in the article as of revision 1294925028, made some minor changes, and as of the present version I don't see any remaining coi content issues from Lachoza specifically.
- And Lachoza, it had only been 24 hours and 0 minutes since you were replied to last. Wikipedia isn't on a deadline and I'm not sure the cause for such urgency. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 18:21, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- I am just so "darn" upset with myself and embarrassed for inadvertently creating an issue and putting more work on your plates. Lachoza (talk) 01:39, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
- I think the tag was added due to COI concerns about Lachoza specifically, so that review satisfies my outstanding concerns. Funcrunch, you good with tag removal? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:03, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
- I am not convinced that @Lachoza does not have a COI. I would be OK with removing the tag if they agree to cease editing this article, whether from any account or while logged out. Funcrunch (talk) 14:55, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
"I would be OK with removing the tag if they agree to cease editing this article"
, honestly don't like this at all. Maintenance tags are not bartering chips, they should be used to document issues currently present in the article and nothing more. Currently I don't see any issues in the article that have stemmed from Lachoza's edits.- To quote from Template:COI:
"In order to be tagged, the article should have a specific, articulatable, fixable problem. Do not apply this tag simply because you suspect COI editing, or because there is or was a COI editor."
fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 15:11, 20 June 2025 (UTC)- Fine. The connected contributor template I added to this talk page addresses my concerns. Funcrunch (talk) 15:19, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
- I've removed the tag as it appears we've reached consensus. If anyone disagrees and believes there are extant issues in the article caused by a COI editor then feel free to re-add the tag and restart the discussion. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 15:36, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
- It would be worth looking at the history of IP contributions, if not already done. I’m traveling and not really able to spend time looking at the edit history myself. I accept the consensus of the group. I agree the tag should stay on the Takk page and Lachoza should request/recommend further edits here rather than make them directly. Thanks, all. --MYCETEAE 🍄🟫—talk 17:08, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
- The only notable contribution from an IP editor still in the article is the
"Miller has written and spoken about the impact of bullying on youth"
sentence that was added in Special:Diff/1260145388, I also checked for bad removals by IP editors and did not see any that impact the current article's state. - In my view the largest current issue remaining with the article is the overly long "Selected publications" section, if someone with better knowledge of Miller's body of work could trim it down that would be helpful. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 03:21, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- The only notable contribution from an IP editor still in the article is the
- It would be worth looking at the history of IP contributions, if not already done. I’m traveling and not really able to spend time looking at the edit history myself. I accept the consensus of the group. I agree the tag should stay on the Takk page and Lachoza should request/recommend further edits here rather than make them directly. Thanks, all. --MYCETEAE 🍄🟫—talk 17:08, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
- I've removed the tag as it appears we've reached consensus. If anyone disagrees and believes there are extant issues in the article caused by a COI editor then feel free to re-add the tag and restart the discussion. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 15:36, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
- Fine. The connected contributor template I added to this talk page addresses my concerns. Funcrunch (talk) 15:19, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
- Funcrunch- you are truly an amazing and thoughtful person. I appreciate your fidelity to the process. I will hereby refrain from changes in the future.
- Warm regards Lachoza (talk) 17:46, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
- I just added a COI template to this talk page, which should remain even if the COI template on the article is removed. Funcrunch (talk) 15:08, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
- I am not convinced that @Lachoza does not have a COI. I would be OK with removing the tag if they agree to cease editing this article, whether from any account or while logged out. Funcrunch (talk) 14:55, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
- All I can do is recommend you be patient while other editors take the time to review and determine *if* the tag can be removed. These things take time. --MYCETEAE 🍄🟫—talk 20:51, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- Greetings colleagues. I appreciate everyone’s help here and truly admit that in the error was done intentionally it was done from lack of understanding protocol. The issue with the suggested edits seem to be addressed by you. That said going forward based on your recommendations I will appear to call.Can we please remove the tag? Lachoza (talk) 16:19, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
Lowercase sj
Lowercase sj in header. Be consistent with entry. Lachoza (talk) 16:30, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
- Assuming the "header" you're referring to is the Talk header at the top of this talk page, I just tweaked it so the leading "s" in the name "sj Miller" is now lowercase. Funcrunch (talk) 19:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)