Talk:Transactional analysis

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Basic Editing of the Article

It seems to me that right now the article reads like it was written by a disorganized committee. I am going to rearrange the sections; I believe that at a bare minimum, that this is what is called for.
--NBahn (talk) 23:07, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

It seems to me that the second "History" section needs some serious reworking.....
--NBahn (talk) 23:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Image

The animated image at the top says nothing by itself or together with the caption text. Can I suggest a proper caption that explains the animation or moving it down to a section of the article that does? --Apoc2400 (talk) 16:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Suggest away!
--NBahn (talk) 18:06, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Ego states

I had a quick (VERY quick) glance on the section about ego states and I think some differentiation in functional model and structure model is directly needed. Understanding this difference is very important to understand the whole concept of ego states. Maybe I will take care about this issue soon, but I will be happy if someone else did it because I have to finish a thesis at the moment... - MAE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.250.60 (talk) 23:05, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Where is the Criticism section?

On a superficial look through the article, I cannot see any empirical evidence for this construction actually corresponding to reality. Its not too difficult to invent schemas that seem appealling but which are not actually true. 92.29.142.75 (talk) 13:15, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

My understanding is that the Wikipedia is not the place for opinion and/or debate and/or proof. What evidence do you have that everything in the Wikipedia is required to be real? Sam Tomato (talk) 01:07, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

I cannot see any empirical evidence for this construction actually corresponding to reality either. I will invent my own theory of drama rectangle and demand a wikipedia article about it. There will be victim, perpetrator, rescuer and bystander. 84.72.10.196 (talk) 02:46, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

 That sounds a bit like Neuro Linguistic Programming which has an extensive criticism section. TA and NPL seem to resemble each other but there is no criticism section of TA. While I am a big fan of theories of plural intra psychic personae I think the article should include a criticism section, if only to let students realise that they are on somewhat shaky ground. How about, Fay Short, Phil Thomas "Textbook of Counselling and Psychotherapy Core Approaches and Therapies" as well as giving a thorough introduction to TA claim that TA is "often regarded as pseudoscience by its critics" (p 323 ). --Timtak (talk) 00:18, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Every psycological branch is a pseudo science, so I would be careful to put this as a critic to TA. See Pseudoscience#Psychology Superseve69it (talk) 15:37, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

that link does not say anything about ψ being pseudoscience. instead it explains (or tries to) what psichological motives might make people belive in pseudoscientific ideas.176.63.176.112 (talk) 20:19, 19 August 2016 (UTC).

This has clearly not been resolved and whether the criticism is valid or not their is A LOT of it which deserves acknowledgement in this article. 216.243.16.154 (talk) 15:51, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

TA is not only post-Freudian but, according to its founder's wishes, consciously extra-Freudian.

My complaint is about the confusion: post-Freudian and extra-Freudian are pointing to the same link: Freud. As I am researching psychology, I would rather expect them to point to respective (different) pages so I can find out about each of them; or to nothing at all. What's the reason to point to Freud each time, while the ideas are different by definition, and different from the original research? Zb00001 (talk) 04:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Australian TA group

I'm not familiar with this topic so the article was my introduction to the material. It references an ego-state refutation by an "Australian TA group" and then later another TA criticism by an "Australian TA analyst". Both citations point to Tony White - his personal blog as well as a published article. As a newcomer, it looks very shady. I have no idea whether or not this analyst or this unnamed TA group is well-known or credible enough to merit their mention. In the history, someone originally noted this "Australian group" as "marginal" but it was scrubbed as being biased.

Can someone who is more knowledgeable about this subject either specifically attribute these criticisms to Tony White and mention he is well-known or credible (I do see he's written books, had awards, etc) if that's the case, or get rid of them? 24.0.209.76 (talk) 23:24, 27 January 2011 (UTC) --anon

Animation

The animation next to the lede is confusing and explains nothing. A simple diagram would be much better here. Maybe the animation could be used later in the article, but I doubt it. --193.254.155.48 (talk) 15:10, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you. Lova Falk talk 17:50, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
I moved it lower in the article. Wiki-psyc (talk) 01:00, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
It's still highly annoying, and illustrates nothing. It's just an animated version of a book-jacket illustration, an unenlightening dancing hamsters gimmick sans music.
Weeb Dingle (talk) 15:55, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Rewrote introduction

Transactional analysis (TA to its adherents), is a psychology idea that humans are social creatures and that a person is a multi-faceted being that changes when in contact with another person in their world. It integrates the theories of psychology and psychotherapy because it has elements of psychoanalytic, humanist and cognitive ideas. TA was first developed in the late 1950s by Canadian-born US psychiatrist Eric Berne.[1]

The previous version was more difficult for the average person to understand and did not give a clear definition of what TA is.

Thanks! Thewhitebox (talk) 15:58, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

I took another pass at it - building on your work.
Transactional analysis' is a psychoanalytic therapy wherein social transactions are analyzed to determine the ego state of the patient (whether parent-like, child-like, or adult-like) as a basis for understanding behavior.[1] In transactional analysis, the patient is taught to alter the ego state as a way to solve emotional problems. The method deviates from Freudian psychoanalysis which focuses on increasing awareness of the contents of unconsciously held ideas. Eric Berne developed the concept and paradigm of transactional analysis in the late 1950s.[2]
Wiki-psyc (talk) 00:42, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Timothy Leary is not the founder of Transactional analysis

Timothy Leary is not the founder of Transactional analysis and version 678286435 is incorrect.
13:06, 28 August 2015‎ 678286435

These are the most reliable sources:
https://www.itaaworld.org/eric-berne-founder
http://www.eatanews.org/about-ta/eric-berne/

Wiki-psyc (talk) 00:40, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

For the record, I think I might know from whence this canard arose. Leary once said he proposed a thesis (like ~1956) reviewing interpersonal psychology, and his advisor looked surprised and sneered that "the term is an oxymoron." (Even today, college classes occasionally teach that psychology is of the individual, sociology is of the group, and never the twain etc.) I've never taken it literally, but maybe others have.
Berne credited his Friday-night poker group as being a proving-ground for his developing theories.
Weeb Dingle (talk) 15:36, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Poorly written /disorganized (deleted text copied here)

Proposed merge with International Transactional Analysis Association

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