About the page, the whole section is totaly biased head to toe. It should tell the process of what is happening but instead it tells teh story from one side. How can anyone said it is not biased, because of sources? All of the sources are discreditable sources, especially the newspapers.
I just want to make unbiased, not one point of view, you can understand it I hope. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UniqueHornClub (talk • contribs) 19:33, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- The former championships were both held by this federation and now not acknowledged. This is an unparalelled case of denial, since it was this very same federation which held them officially. At least a few clubs are robbed of their titles and protest this denial. That's what makes it controversial in the first place. What exactly is biased? The denial part? It's a simple fact. And it's also a simple fact that a part of the public asks the federation to stop with the denial. So please stop your edit war and the removal of sourced content. Akocsg (talk) 00:06, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Fenerbahçe did not formally raise this issue until the presidency of Ali Koç. The Süper Lig was officially established in 1959, and there is no significant controversy regarding this starting date. Archromeo (talk) 21:53, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- The TFF was founded in 1923 and football was also played before 1959. 176.7.140.197 (talk) 23:40, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- 1924 - Inaugural Turkish national championship
- Source: https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/TUR/ 176.7.140.197 (talk) 23:44, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- OK Ali Koç. Archromeo (talk) 08:15, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Bundesliga founded at 1963, so before that Germans were not playing football I guess. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesliga Archromeo (talk) 08:17, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- You're talking nonsense.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German_football_champions 176.7.138.46 (talk) 11:45, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- If you say so Ali Koç. You can find more amateur league championships if you dig deep. I guess they must be hiding next to official Fenerbahçe kit featuring four stars. Archromeo (talk) 12:52, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your comment. Guys Start noticing what crazy stuff you're saying. 176.7.138.46 (talk) 13:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Fenerbahçe remains officially referenced in UEFA documentation related to match-fixing decisions.[1] The club initially filed a legal case against UEFA but later withdrew it. These events are documented in official sources and form part of the public record. As such, describing them as conspiracies contradicts the available evidence but I am telling crazy things. Wow, you need a reality check and find a kit featuring four stars. Archromeo (talk) 14:10, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Strange stuff again, what does one topic have to do with the other? 176.7.138.46 (talk) 14:38, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Please refrain from altering the subtitles in a misleading way. Referring to documented and officially confirmed events, such as Fenerbahçe being barred from European competitions and later withdrawing their legal case as a "conspiracy" undermines the factual basis of those decisions. These are matters of public record. The Süper Lig was officially established in 1959, which is the recognized starting point for league championship counts by the Turkish Football Federation. Claims outside this framework remain speculative and are not officially acknowledged. Archromeo (talk) 12:13, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Süper Lig started at 1959 as Bundesliga started at 1963. I am not sure why this is so hard to grasp. Archromeo (talk) 08:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- There is no official Fenerbahçe kit featuring four stars to represent 20 Süper Lig championships, as the club has not officially reached that milestone under the Turkish Football Federation's (TFF) recognized league format, which began in 1959. The debate over pre-1959 national titles was brought forward during the presidency of Ali Koç, with Fenerbahçe advocating for the recognition of championships won before the Süper Lig era. However, these earlier titles are not currently acknowledged in the official star system by the TFF, and there is no widely accepted historical consensus supporting their equivalence to post-1959 league championships. Archromeo (talk) 08:23, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
As you are a Fenerbahçe Member, which you mention on your Turkish Wikipedia page, you are biased and you wanted to make your clubs propaganda as something "fact", which is not. The fact that, you can easily say to 10 day tournament as "championship" and counting them as champion and at the same time you are counting a tournament which is happening in same year with that 10 day championship, which Fenerbahçe plays both of them and you can count both of them legit, makes your argument purely propaganda... I know that I'm not that good editor as you, I'm going to lose that battle because you know the editing rules better than me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UniqueHornClub (talk • contribs) 16:31, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Why Ali Koç's personal vendatta is in the main page? Again, Fenerbahçe did not formally raise this issue until the presidency of Ali Koç. The Süper Lig was officially established in 1959, and there is no significant controversy regarding this starting date. Archromeo (talk) 21:56, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
