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Pegacorn redirect

I would like to direct this term here but it seems a series of bad events in the past with that word prevent it from being created. I think it is locked. Here is the log I see:

This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference.

08:05, 31 October 2009 RHaworth (talk | contribs) deleted "Pegacorn" ‎ (G3: Vandalism: hoax)
01:35, 30 October 2009 NawlinWiki (talk | contribs) deleted "Pegacorn" ‎ (G3: Blatant hoax)
04:17, 10 October 2009 NawlinWiki (talk | contribs) deleted "Pegacorn" ‎ (G1: Patent nonsense, meaningless, or incomprehensible)
00:07, 27 February 2009 JPG-GR (talk | contribs) deleted "Pegacorn" ‎ (Expired PROD, concern was: Internet neologism)
16:12, 15 January 2007 Tyrenius (talk | contribs) deleted "Pegacorn" ‎ (content was: 'db-emptyA unicorn disguised as a pegasus. Often seen with traps.Image:Pegacorn.jpg')
15:42, 2 November 2006 NawlinWiki (talk | contribs) deleted "Pegacorn" ‎ (g1 content was: 'By definition a Pegacorn is a mythical creature. This creature is a combination of a pegasus and a Unicorn a Pegasus is a winged horse and a Unicorn w...' (and the only contributor was '[[Special:Contributions/Davidcourtney13|Davidcourtne)
05:33, 2 November 2006 Centrx (talk | contribs) deleted "Pegacorn" ‎ (content was: 'PegacornThe definition of pegacorn is a winged white horse with a horn. This breed is a combonation of a Pegasus which is a winged horse and a ...' (and the only contributor was '[[Special:Contributions/Davidcourtney13|Davidcourtney13])

I am wondering if we could contact User:RHaworth, User:NawlinWiki, User:JPG-GR, User:Tyrenius or User:Centrx to ask them if they might redirect the term here and perhaps merge some of the previous deleted content into the description. Bonechamber (talk) 11:19, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

It's probably best to ask RHaworth, as he was the one who salted it (as shown by the full log). It may be a good idea to add some references to your article first though, to make it clear that it's a legitimate subject. --Zundark (talk) 12:38, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Winged unicorns in historical art

I think we should look through mediawiki's Pegasus and Unicorns categories. We may find overlap between the two similar to the air force's coat of arms to establish a better timeline. I am currently uncertain when that was invented, but it was apparently in use during world war 2. It may be the earliest use. Bonechamber (talk) 11:42, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Original research

The citations used in the article comprise original research. They are used as examples. This is not how citations are used. Further, wiki sites cannot be used for citations. IsaacAA (talk) 10:31, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect singular?

The word "Specie" is used several times in this article as what seems to be an incorrect singular form of the already singular "species". 101.103.67.74 (talk) 01:46, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

I've made the change, but please revert if I am wrong 101.103.67.74 (talk) 01:50, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

From Wiktionary (wikt:species) - "specie is a separate word that means coin money, not the singular version of species." Thanks for catching that. :) --Yellow1996 (talk) 17:23, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Alicorn

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

True consensus was achieved that the word alicorn be used to describe a winged unicorn. AlbinoFerret 19:22, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Is it just wrong to call the creature an 'alicorn'? JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 16:54, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

For those just joined from Requests for comment, my logic is that 'alicorn' is the word for a unicorn horn, so using the word to refer a 'horse with a horn and a pair of wings' is wrong. JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 13:50, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

But there are many other words that have two meanings - it doesn't mean that the newer meaning is wrong. In any case, the article doesn't (and shouldn't) say that the usage is right or wrong, but merely notes its existence. It does the same for pegacorn and unipeg (but not unisus or cerapter). --Zundark (talk) 21:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Those calling winged unicorn = horned pegasus an "alicorn" must have interpreted the 'ali' part of the word as the prefix for wing(s), when actually, seeing the word's origin, it is not. JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 11:05, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

That's right - it's almost as though the two meanings of alicorn are distinct words with different etymologies. It wouldn't surprise me if the use of alicorn to mean a winged unicorn was originally intended as a joke. --Zundark (talk) 22:24, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

A brief scan of the internet says Alicorn is used to refer to horned pegasus pretty regularly. I make no comment on etymology but it is clearly used and without a source declaring it "wrong" wikipedia should not say so. (even with a source wikipedia shouldn't say it in wikipedia's voice). SPACKlick (talk) 14:17, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Can anyone point me to sources that say an alicorn is a creature or that it is a unicorn horn? --Precision123 (talk) 17:33, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

See Odell Shepard, The Lore of the Unicorn, Londres, Unwin and Allen,‎ 1930 (ISBN 9781437508536). Don't remember the exact page. Here : http://sacred-texts.com/etc/lou/index.htm. --Tsaag Valren (talk) 00:23, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

That's only for the older meaning though. The Wiktionary page wikt:Citations:alicorn lists a number of sources for both meanings. --Zundark (talk) 16:30, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Here Shepard uses "alicorn" as a synonym for a unicorn's horn. I'm not sure about a reliable source for the meaning as a winged unicorn. —sroc 💬 05:05, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree with SPACKlick that Wikipedia shouldn't say that this usage of the word "alicorn" is wrong—at most, it could say that the usage is proscribed by someone, if a citation for this can be found. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:50, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

The article currently states:

In some literature and media, it is also referred to as an alicorn, which is a historical word for the horn of a unicorn.

Assuming this claim can be verified by a reliable source, this seems like a succinct summary and is all we need to say on the matter. —sroc 💬 05:05, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

If no objection is presented within five days, I am going to redirect alicorn to unicorn horn, and put the following statement at the the top of the latter article:

JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 07:21, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable to me. I suggest simplifying the phrasing a bit, though:

—Granger (talk · contribs) 12:06, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I concur. Links in hatnotes should refer to the linked article title rather than piped. Per Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Hatnotes: "Do not use piping to change the title of disambiguation entry links. Showing the actual linked entry title avoids confusion." —sroc 💬 09:52, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

No objection. It's all done. JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 14:39, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Alacorn it is not good to do such a crime to give some things name that isent Antonio Morris (talk) 02:16, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

It is interesting to note that latin for wing is ala... So if I *were* to create a word to refer to a winged, horned horse, I might choose "alacorn" or "alicorn" as a name. Just interesting, probably not useful. 24.194.4.97 (talk) 18:34, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Incorrect M. A. Larson Attribution

Larson is correctly credited as the author of both episodes which establish the use of the word alicorn in "My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic," but Larson did not include the word in his original script.

The word was altered during production. Larson himself has claimed not to have been involved in its use or inclusion.

I'm not sure how to go about correcting this oversight. I believe there are some transcripts of convention panels where Larson has addressed that fact, notably at BronyCon in Baltimore in 2013. 67.251.106.143 (talk) 12:57, 30 July 2015 (UTC) Clocks

(Deleted contribution:) "In Heraldry, A Unicorn Is Not A Horse"

The following paragraph was immediately deleted as "unsourced" by a deletionist (a type now that would have completely prevented early Wikipedia from growing and succeeding). Re: the "unsourced" ... a source for the heraldic point would be "any book on heraldry", and the point about teenage wall-posters is obvious common knowledge in our culture, unlikely to have, or to warrant, academic citations. So I'll put it here on the Discussion page instead, and check someday to see what becomes of this (fairly important) point about Winged unicorns:

"In traditional heraldry, none of the foregoing examples would be a winged unicorn, or ronaldus, because a horse is not a unicorn in heraldry. The pictures in fantasy art of "winged unicorns" typically depict a horse with wings (which in heraldry would be a pegasus) with a horn in the forehead. In heraldry, a unicorn is not a horse, but rather a chimeric beast with the body of a horse, a goat's cloven hooves and beard, a lion's tail, and a horn. A ronaldus or actual winged unicorn is rare in coats of arms outside of west Scotland. Heraldically, a typical teenage girl's "winged unicorn" wall-poster features a horned pegasus (the "unipeg" or "pegacorn" idea), which is not a unicorn." 70.113.8.195 (talk) 07:39, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Hasbro's My Little Pony

There is no consensus for the proposed changes. Cunard (talk) 03:47, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Technically, Hasbro's My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic and other related media are by-products of toy company Hasbro's 2010 reboot of My Little Pony toys, but it seems that some editors may want to think it's the other way round. JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 16:00, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

For the record, here's my attempt to describe it in technically accurate manner. Some editors are keep editing to remove the fact that it's a part of the toy line.

Hasbro's 2010 reboot of My Little Pony toy line officially introduced winged unicorn^[N1] characters in the lineup. The species is depicted to be rare and powerful, and they play a role as ponies of royal status, in the product descriptions, as well as tie-in media commissioned by Hasbro (including the Friendship Is Magic television series, comics and theatrical film). Such characters in this incarnation include Princesses Celestia, Luna, Cadence, Twilight Sparkle^[N2] and Flurry Heart.

Notes

In the earlier seasons of the My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic television series, the species is not specifically named; for example, the sisters Celestia and Luna were referred as unicorns in first season's première episode "Friendship Is Magic - part 1" despite having wings.^[1] However, an amulet with a pair of wings and a horned head of a horse is referred as the "Alicorn Amulet" in the third season's fifth episode "Magic Duel" (written by M. A. Larson),^[2] and the species is explicitly named "alicorn" in its season finale "Magical Mystery Cure" (also written by Larson).^[3]

Twilight Sparkle was originally introduced as a unicorn when the 2010 reboot came into effect. But in 2013, the character's appearance was modified to bear a pair of wings as well: it was subsequently reflected in the tie-in media, with the season 3 of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic having a dedicated episode, "Magical Mystery Cure", as a season finale, and IDW Publishing's Friendship Is Magic comics reflecting the change since Issue #13 (November 2013).

JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 16:10, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Oppose: Its just that, you're referring to it, as though it was almost exclusively, a toy line. Though you're right that it started with the toy line, it now has movies, a television show, comic books, novels, children's books, plushies, fan art, and a huge fandom of millions, so calling it, just a toy line doesn't settle right with me. --FLVSstudent417 (talk) 13:54, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Oppose - Referencing the Manufacturer/IP Owners Hasbro should be enough since the brand is now known for numerous things other than just a toy line. Also, are we seriously putting a Note at the bottom of the article for a Pop Culture Reference? A Reference of a Reference? Do we really need to know the story of some Alicorn Amulet to understand that yes, that creature looks like a Winged Unicorn? It's ridiculous and excessive. Less is more. DrkBlueXG (talk) 18:35, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: What needs to be stressed is that it's from Hasbro which is a toy company, and all those media including the FIM show is a part of the toy company's marketing effort. Also, the note on how the species is called there is necessary; they weren't called "alicorn" from the beginning. JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 18:10, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

References

[1]
Faust, Lauren. "Friendship Is Magic - part 1". My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. Season 1. Hasbro Studios. {{cite episode}}: Unknown parameter |serieslink= ignored (|series-link= suggested) (help)
[2]
Larson, M. A. "Magic Duel". My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. Season 3. Hasbro Studios. {{cite episode}}: Unknown parameter |serieslink= ignored (|series-link= suggested) (help)
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Larson, M. A. "Magical Mystery Cure". My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. Season 3. Hasbro Studios. {{cite episode}}: Unknown parameter |episodelink= ignored (|episode-link= suggested) (help); Unknown parameter |serieslink= ignored (|series-link= suggested) (help)

Talk:Winged unicorn

Pegacorn redirect

Winged unicorns in historical art

Original research

Incorrect singular?

Alicorn

Incorrect M. A. Larson Attribution

(Deleted contribution:) "In Heraldry, A Unicorn Is Not A Horse"

Hasbro's My Little Pony

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The incorrect term for "winged unicorns"

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