Talk:Yosemite Decimal System

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Tahquitz Decimal System?

Randy Vogel - Rock Climbing Joshua Tree says "... the Tahquitz Decimal System, also known erroneously as the Yosemite Decimal System". o_O It's from 1992. — Omegatron (talk) 03:44, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Vogel is right about the history, but nobody actually calls it that.--Fashionslide (talk) 21:46, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

"Exposure"?

The word "exposure" is used several times, with no explanation. Can someone address that, please? MrRedwood (talk) 07:17, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Done.--Fashionslide (talk) 21:46, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Edited definitions of classes 1-5

Extremely silly language seems to have crept into the definitions of classes 1 through 5. I've edited these to revert them to something based closely on Freedom of the Hills, which is a pretty standard book. In the text before this edit, there was extremely bizarre language and unsourced claims such as a suggestion that one can use a rope for class 2, or that the distinction between classes 4 and 5 has something to do with natural pro versus gear.--Fashionslide (talk) 19:00, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Merge with Grade (climbing)#American YDS grade

This question has been asked before, but should this be merged with Grade (climbing)#American YDS grade, an article that I have extensively overhauled? There is a lot of poor and unreferenced content in this article, and I think that it is better as part of a main article on grading that is properly maintained. Aszx5000 (talk) 12:50, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

I have merged all of the useable and referenced/supported text into Grade (climbing)#American YDS grade. Will redirect this to that section at this stage. Aszx5000 (talk) 19:42, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Redirecting the Yosemite Decimal System page to Grade (climbing)#American YDS grade may make sense to ease management of pages focused on YDS class 5 climbing, but it presents many problems for hundreds of other wiki articles that describe YDS class 1, 2, 3, and 4 climbs. Let me explain.

Currently there are 1,851 Wikipedia articles that have a wikilink to Yosemite Decimal System. The majority of these articles, well over three-quarters, mention a class ranking of 1, 2, 3, or 4 for a climb and provide the wikilink for readers to learn more about these YDS classes. By redirecting the YDS page to Grade (climbing), which focuses on class 5 climbs, there are no class 1-4 definitions or explanations. Essentially, by redirecting YDS to Grade (climbing), over a thousand wikilinks are effectively broken.

It seems necessary to have these 1,851 wikilinks link to a YDS article that provides coverage of all YDS classes, including the much more common classes of 1, 2, 3, and 4. Removing the redirect and restoring the YDS article would accomplish this. Any objections? Zapus (talk) 02:38, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

I agree with Zapus. This is unacceptable that class 1 through 4 have no mention in the new redirect link. Ron Clausen (talk) 23:26, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

YDS is notable per WP:GNG.^[1]^[2] I believe that there is enough information about YDS to support a separate non-stub article. Information that was supported by reliable sources was lost in the merge. I would support restoring the YDS article to its pre-merge state. — hike395 (talk) 20:12, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Discussion died out, so I went ahead and undid the merge. — hike395 (talk) 02:18, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

Later: did some cleanup of material (from original sources) and refs. There are still a couple of unreferences spots in the article. — hike395 (talk) 04:04, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

References

[1]
Roper, Steve (1976). The Climber's Guide to the High Sierra. Sierra Club Books. pp. 19–21. ISBN 0-87156-147-6.
[2]
Mountaineering: The Freedom of the Hills (6th ed.). Seattle: The Mountaineers. 1997. pp. 511–514. ISBN 0-89886-426-7.

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