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Platelet

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A cup of coffee for you!

Thanks for your contributions to the platelet article. I saw that you talked with another user about adding references - that is great. The Wikipedia policy has always been to expect every statement added to be associated with a cited source, even though that has not always happened. It is ideal to start with a source and then integrate it into the article piecewise. Thanks for improving the article. I know nothing about this subject but what you are doing seems thoughtful. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:39, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. My first edit was in mid March. I have had two others drop me notes about referencing. You are right that referencing has "not always happened": I went to the edit history section and looked at the last version before I started editing: I counted 151 unreferenced statements, and 36 referenced, which have accumulated over the past 10 years since the article was started. The count as of now, after my editing: 127 unreferenced, 37 referenced. So I have added 4 referenced statements, and deleted 28 unreferenced incorrect statements.

I have also changed numerous unreferenced statements because they were either incorrect or poorly worded. I did not reference the replacements, the logic being that for now a correct unreferenced statement is better than an incorrect unreferenced statement.

I am now finished with corrections, reorganizing and labeling. I'll take a look at referencing the statements of prior contributors as time permits.

Regards.

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platelet

please bring sources for the content you are adding - generally, and to the platelets article now. thanks! Jytdog (talk) 16:15, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for suggestion. I have had two others drop me notes about referencing. Referencing seems to be the exception on Wikipedia, and widely tolerated: I went to the edit history section and looked at the last version of Platelet prior to my editing: I counted 151 unreferenced statements, and 36 referenced, which have accumulated over the past 10 years since the article was started. The count as of now, after my editing: 127 unreferenced, 37 referenced. So I have added 4 referenced statements, and deleted 28 unreferenced incorrect statements.

I've also changed numerous unreferenced statements because they were either incorrect or poorly worded. I did not reference the replacements, the logic being that - for now - a correct unreferenced statement is better than an incorrect unreferenced statement. I've done this on several other sites too.

Is there anyone assigned by Wikipedia to monitor for unreferenced statements, and to admonish the author or delete the statements if not referenced promptly?

I am now finished with corrections, reorganizing and labeling. I'll take a look at referencing the unreferenced statements of prior contributors as time permits.

Regards. IiKkEe (talk) 00:54, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi there, thanks for your work on platelet and coagulation. I admire your energy. Don't worry about others suggesting doing stuff in a certain way. It takes a while to learn the ropes; stuff gets easier over time.
Unreferenced content is a major frustration, and you will see many articles with boxes at the top saying that the content requires references. Sadly the adding of references to existing content is a tough job, and there is no watertight formal process for addressing this. Well, unless you count the individual enthusiasm of editors who take an article and keep on hammering at it until it's fantastic and then submit it for review through the good article or featured article process.
If I can suggest one thing, it's taking the advice of experienced folk like GrahamColm (talk · contribs). He's been here for years, knows the place like no other, and happens to be professionally involved in the area of your interest. Let me know if I can be of any assistance! JFW | T@lk 14:39, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
In response to your question on people monitoring unsourced statements, there is no formal role like this. There are other editors (people like you and me) who have a peek at newly added content, and will sometimes remove stuff that looks like it's not verifiable. If it could be, and doesn't sound outrageous, it might be tagged with a {{citation needed}} tag, and sometimes the other editor might have access to the right source and add it to the unsourced statement straight away.
You can imagine that not every contribution gets "patrolled" in such a way, and this is why unsourced stuff accumulates in some articles over time. I patrol articles that I have worked on in the past, because I am usually familiar with the subject. JFW | T@lk 15:52, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

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Leptin

Hi IiKkEe. Thanks for all your edits to Leptin, you've done a great job improving the article. I just wanted to let you know that I have removed your warnings as it's not appropriate to include these types of comments in the article. If you have serious doubts about some of the sources you can add individual tags to each one (such as {{better source}} or {{failed verification}}) or you could remove them and add a better source. You could also place a note on the article talk page detailing all your concerns about the referencing. If you feel you must include comments in an article for any reason they should be placed in comment tags (<!-- Like this -->) so they can only be seen when someone edits the page. Sarahj2107 (talk) 19:53, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

I also noticed some of your recent edits and I was typing this message at exactly the same time as Sarahj2107 - if you think there is something fundamentally misleading with particular content, then it would be better perhaps to remove it, or to discuss its improvement on the talkpage where this could be remedied by perhaps the addition of a more up-to-date citation. There are also particular templates which can be used to highlight concerns about sourcing in articles which will be more likely to be picked up and addressed by other editors - see for example Wikipedia:Template_messages/Cleanup. I will mention this discussion at the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine, as I think someone with much more experience in this field would be better place to advise you how to achieve a sensible improvement to the article. I hope this suggestion is of help. --nonsense ferret 20:00, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Leptin response

Well I tried to respond to Sarah under Leptin and somehow, wiki says, I am creating an edit conflict and won't let me "Save page" - so I'll start a new section to reply.

To Sarahj2107 - Thank you so much for your courtesy in notifying me what you have done. I actually did not plan to leave my warnings there: I was just documenting them for whoever wants to come behind me and try to straighten this section out. It won't be me - I know nothing about the subject of leptin resistance, but I do know how to spot the obsolete and undocumented and redundant. Everything I have done is documented in the "history of edits" section and that's good enough for me. Thanks for the "nowiki" tip: I didn't know that. Maybe there's something I know that you don't: there IS a way to mark a warning on the page itself: I just don't know how to do it. That's what I planned - and still plan - to replace my warnings with once I find out how to do it: Wiki/help/chat will tell me that. I'll just refer everyone to my "history of edit" page for the gory details.

Most of all, thanks for the compliment - everybody likes an attaboy, me included. The two things driving me crazy right now are 1) when was the AA sequence first determined and by whom? 3) what is its half life? I'll keep looking. Also, I've found some neat stuff on molecular structure vs function that I plan to add to that section, then I'll say goodbye to Ms/Mr Leptin. Unless it's to come back and admire "my" Contents section.

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IiKkEe (talk) 20:58, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi again, regarding your comment above, "I actually did not plan to leave my warnings there: I was just documenting them for whoever wants to come behind me and try to straighten this section out. It won't be me." You can't assume that there is an army of other volunteers in the wings ready to fix issues. There isn't one. Comments can stay on the page for years. Please try to fix errors straight away of at least start a thread on the Talk Page. We already have a disclaimer. All our contributors are just like you - working for free from home or their workplaces when there is time. Also please see WP:BRD for advice on problems that you find especially worrying. Having said all this, thanks for your hard work on Platelet, I think you are getting to know how this amazing encyclopedia has been written. Best wishes. Graham. Graham Colm (talk) 21:57, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

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Leptin resistance first paragraph

This paragraph has four supporting references 18-28 years old. It should be rewritten by one knowledgeable in this complex and controversial area.

Refeerence 137 last sentence of page

This reference is to an online newspaper, not a peer reviewed reference

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Imagawa, et al. Structure-Function Studies of Human Leptin. JBC. 1998, December; 52(273): 35245-35249 y Cterminal necessary for secretion, stability, solubility.

mammary epithelial cells, bone marrow, pituitary sites of leptin

Kline, et al. Leptin is a four-helix bundle: secondary structure by NMR. FEBS Letters.1997, February; 407(2): 239-242 - exhibits a short strand segment and two long random coil loops. Determined secondary structure by NMR. Long chain short helix cytokine fold.

Peelman, et al. Mapping of the leptin binding sites and design of a leptin antagonist. JBC. 2004, September; 39(279): 41038-41046 - synthesized first leptin antagonist, caused obesity, altered immune system, hypogonadism. Binding site is the N terminal 94 AA

Zhang, F., et al. Crystal Structure of the obese protein leptin-E100. Nature. 1997, May; 387(6629):206-209. First to crystallize. Leptin aggregates so cannot be crystallized . Disulfide bonding critical. structure unique

Cannot crystallize AA 27-38 As od 2008, don't fully know structure, Rigid hydrophobic core: unique. Core has a hydrophobic cap which buries the lipophilic residues on the the surface of the BD helical bundle

IiKkEe (talk) 07:35, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

note to self

Note to self 2=== Thermogenesis references

PMC3673773 - Adaptive thermogenesis 100,000 kCal stored in a 70 kg person "Cordinated regulation o energy intake and expenditure mediated by signals emanatin from adipose, gastrointestinal, and endocrine rissues, and integrated by the liver and CNS" lose weight 10% - daily energy enditre goes down 25% -lose 10% wt - gain 20% icrease in skeletal muscle chemomechanicl efficiency,18% gain in FFA use as fuel during light exsrcise PMID12609816 -UCP in BAT yilds more heat generation -BAT activation: ,beta-3 R,THR (thyroid hormone receptor) 19912477 -Leptin sensitive decline in SNS, thyrioid with weight loss COULD BE mechanism of reduced thermog. by BAT -only takes 25G of BAT to explain decline in REE -All of above applies to rodents, noy humans: little BAT im humans: YES THERE IS: BAT in 7.5% womwn, 10% men using PET scans. - Expose to cold: 23/24 have BAT on PET(19357405) - leptin prop to fat mass (8784109corti) -letin conc inv prop to hunger ratings(9822946) -give leptin, hyperphagia goes away (10486419) -Leptin goes down, intake goes up, due to more POMC, less Y(NPY) (AgRP) and (MCH)anorexogenic neuropeptitide POMC; orixigens neuropeptideY, agouti-related peptide, melanin concentrating hormone -leptin gors down,POMC goes down -low leptin meanslow HPT, high HPA -POMC proopiomelaocortin This is it: administration of leptin tolow leptinhumans causes energy expenditure up,energy intake down, SNS up, normalizes HPA, thyroid gonadalfn(11297566)(10486419) -BUT if NoT leptin def,to get a wt loss effect requires dose of L to get L conc overten times normal(10546697) -SUMMARY: lose wt, allsystems attempt to restore wt: metabolic, neuroendocrine,autonomic behavoioiural changes all oppose. FAT STORES ARE DEFENDED BY INTERLOCKINGBIOENERGETCAND NEUROBIOLOGICALPHSIOLOGIES. THe HUMAN BODY ACTIVELY OPPOSES THE CURE. - acponline.org -1999review of1320 papers , No PMID! Perfect diagrams OUTLINE GENETICS REGULATION OF SERUM LEPTIN LEVELS leptin ACTION AND CLEARANCE tHE ROLE OF LEPTIN IN HUMAN PHYSIOLOGY AND PATHOPHYSIOOGY NEONATE cHILHOOD AND PUBERTY← lEPTIN AND LEPTIN RESISTANCE IN HUMAN OBESITY lEPTIN AND THE METABOLIC AND NEUROENDOCRINE RESONSE TO FOOF DEPRIVATION l in hYPERTENSION,←DIABETES,×POLYCYSTIC OVARIAN DISEASE l IN EATING DIRORDERS L IN OTHER CLINICALSRTATES cLINICAL TRIALS FUTURE DIRECTIONS

fROM "The Role of leptin in human Mantzoros obesity and disease 199 Annala vol130 #8

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Imagawa, et al. Structure-Function Studies of Human Leptin. JBC. 1998, December; 52(273): 35245-35249 y

− Cterminal necessary for secretion, stability, solubility.

− − mammary epithelial cells, bone marrow, pituitary sites of leptin

− − Kline, et al. Leptin is a four-helix bundle: secondary structure by NMR. FEBS Letters.1997, February; 407(2): 239-242 - exhibits a short strand segment and two long random coil loops. Determined secondary structure by NMR. Long chain short helix cytokine fold.

− − Peelman, et al. Mapping of the leptin binding sites and design of a leptin antagonist. JBC. 2004, September; 39(279): 41038-41046 - synthesized first leptin antagonist, caused obesity, altered immune system, hypogonadism. Binding site is the N terminal 94 AA

− − Zhang, F., et al. Crystal Structure of the obese protein leptin-E100. Nature. 1997, May; 387(6629):206-209. First to crystallize. Leptin aggregates so cannot be crystallized

− . Disulfide bonding critical. structure unique

− − Cannot crystallize AA 27-38 As od 2008, don't fully know structure, Rigid hydrophobic core: unique. Core has a hydrophobic cap which buries the lipophilic residues on the the surface of the BD helical bundle

− − IiKkEe (talk) 07:35, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for invite - I'll just stick to Platelets, Leptin, Ghrelin, and Energy homeostasis pages. Plenty enough to do there.

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Yep. I edited one sentence in the lead,when I pressed Enter whole article from that point on disappeared. Attempting to revert to previous edit now. Should be easy, but first attempt failed. If you know how, please feel free to do so. Will ask for help from chatroom. Thanks for your interest.

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Please clarify above: what drug and what sections are you referring to? Are you commenting on an edit I have made? If so, which one? Thank you. Regards.

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This one here . But also there are further policies mentioned on the talk page of the caffeine article Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:13, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Again I ask - why are you pointing this out to me? What drug are you referring to? Are you commenting on a specific edit I made? If so, which one? If there is a specific guideline which you feel an edit of mine violates, please copy and paste it here and we can discuss it.

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This edit . Per MEDMOS other organisms goes near the end. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:59, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Could you copy and paste here the part of MEDMOS that addresses the location of "Other organisms"? Thank you. Regards. IiKkEe (talk) 21:45, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

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Hi, first thanks for thanking me. I saw you deleted a small phrase on Leptin that I inserted. I disagree with your assessment that this is redundant, because all prior cases were from "Eastern populations" and this was a kid from Ulm, Germany. would you agree if I reinsert? Regards,--Wuerzele (talk) 05:06, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

ToWuerzele Thank you so much for approaching our different preferences for how this is phrased in a civil and respectful way. I will make every effort to reciprocate. I will say only this much for now - I wanted to connect with you promptly to say the above - I will be back here shortly after reviewing the NEJM article. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 05:46, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
NEJM, vol 372, No. 1, January 1, 2015, page 49, sentence 1: "The patient is the first child of two healthy, normal-weight Turkish parents with known consanguinity (first degree cousins)." So its the researchers who are from Germany, not the patient: it's another "Eastern population" mutation. Thank you again for not reverting, but discussing. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 08:00, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
IiKkEe, Thank you for fine combing- I overlooked the Turkish heritage- and inserting the detail.
Re thanks for discussing: sure thing, although it is really the law of the land WP:BRD. it was such a small issue and easy to discuss. I also saw how you've edged on with Doc James. Anyone with biomedical interest or prof background does edge on with him at some point (Look on my talkpage how he welcomed me to wikipedia- and I ve not gone back to any clinical topics since) and so I can relate. I think I automatically treat those who are bruised extra careful and respectfully so they dont think that all of WP is like that. btw are you from Finland ?--Wuerzele (talk) 08:44, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Been on WP since Jun 2014, met all kinds of editors, including those who prefer "my way is the only right way" to "we've got a different preference/opinion on this, let's discuss". Those who just delete, and never compose, are the biggest challenge for me. In the words of the Great Philosopher Tom Petty "... Gonna stand - my - ground, and I won't - back - down..." Not bruised: ready for the next encounter, determined to keep my end civil. Come on back to the clinical topics: we'll take on the world together!
Surprised by the Finland question: I'm a Texan! Why the question??? Are you? Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 09:20, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Hint: You can see where someone's from by looking at the language categories at the bottom of their userpage, if they so choose. others put up oh-so-cute WP:Babel boxes, which I am sure you have seen.--Wuerzele (talk) 16:49, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Antibiotic resistance

Reviewed you contribution to Antibiotic resistance 19 March 2013 which was reverted. I'm going to restore most of what you did over the next couple of days and see if there is a challenge. Please watch me, and edit my edits if they are not true to your original intent. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 10:51, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
ToUser:Wuerzele I think by not addressing you when I wrote above 3 paragraphs there was no way for you to know they were there and addressed to you. Hopefully this will accomplish that. Any further comments on Antibacterial resistance, addressed to you or otherwise, I will place on that Talk page. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 12:41, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
IiKkEe, correct, I didnt get a ping; came here today after receiving 8 thanks (blush) for my odd edits on antibiotic resistance, which I admit were emboldened by seeing your many edits on antibiotic resistance all of a sudden. As far as your heroic attempt to restore my paleo-edits from March 2013, a WP lifetime ago: the article surely changed in 2 years, what crazy work! (deep blush). As far as pinging: you did mention my username on your talk page, so it should have alerted me, but it didnt; maybe because of the missing space? Look at the code of how I ping you {{U|IiKkEe}}- that's a short and reliable way to ping. Thanks for placing any further comments on Talk:Antibiotic resistance.--Wuerzele (talk) 16:32, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

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Discussed under diagnosis. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:41, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

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Hypertension

do you realize that the article you completely reworked was a WP:Good article? for pete's sake. it may need to be delisted now. Jytdog (talk) 01:18, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

User:Jytdog I agree the article was a good article and I acknowledge the major contribution you have made to it. I don't think that I completely reworked the article: I did make 134 specific edits with a justification for each in the Edit history notes, and I believe each were an improvement to an already good article. I could be wrong: please feel free to critique one, some, or all of my edits on the Talk page and voice your specific objections, and we can discuss them there in a spirit of mutual respect with the aim of reaching a consensus. IiKkEe (talk) 01:41, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
i have made almost no contributions to it - which just goes to show that you took almost no time to understand the standing of the article. I just noticed that you acted with terrible arrogance, and we probably need to delist the article. Its a fucking shame. Jytdog (talk) 02:18, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Simple language

The lead should be kept in simple language. Your changes have made it more complicated than necessary. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:14, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

You added "Two hereditary diseaes cause Cushing's syndrome" which is not true. More than two diseases cause pituitary adenomas. Also you added details that are not supported by the ref in question. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:34, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Refs

The fact that you do not format refs you add the same as others in the article is a difficulty. Please read WP:MEDHOW Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:43, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

To Doc James - To what reference are you referring? IiKkEe (talk) 00:22, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Hypertension

Hi IiKkEe, we haven't actually spoken on Wikipedia before so I figured I would say hello since we've both been working on the hypertension article. I noticed there are two references at the end of the elderly subsection that are improperly formatted. It appears (from what I can see) that you were the one who added those references to the article and they're solid guidelines references, but can you fix the formatting to be consistent with the remainder of the article please? Thank you :) TylerDurden8823 (talk) 02:50, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

TylerDurden8823 Thank you for connecting with me - I had thought about doing the same with you, because I am impressed with both your meticulous attention to detail and your civility. And more so with your above note, to include the "please", the "thank you" and the smiley face.

I know a bit about organizing articles, and about hypertension - been in the field for over 40 years - but not so much about formatting. I will attempt to fix, but if I am not successful, I will recruit a fellow editor who knows about formatting. And I look forward to your scrutiny of my future edits on this Page: in contrast to you, there are those who follow me wherever I edit, and revert and delete as fast as I edit, often without explanation, while making no contributions of their own - see above 3 communications. Regards. IiKkEe (talk) 03:55, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

All I ask is that you give it a try. If you're confused about how to do it, feel free to ask and we'll help. I would suggest using the cite journal format found elsewhere throughout the article for comparison. Just out of curiosity, are you in the healthcare field? Physician or something else? You don't have to answer, but I'm just wondering since you said you've been in the field 40+ years.TylerDurden8823 (talk) 05:20, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
TylerDurden8823 I see you fixed the references for me, rather than trying to teach me how, or waiting to see if I could figure it out on my own: thank you!
I have not included a biography on my User page on purpose, because I believe edits should stand on their own merit, and not because of the credentials or experience of the editor. To me, this would lean toward bullying. (There was an 8 year old boy who challenged one of my edits - wonderful!) That said, I am happy to answer your specific question: yes, I am a medical doctor in the US.
I would like to get your reaction to several of my Hypertension edits which have been rejected by others - my thought is to possibly post them on the Hypertension Talk page for discussion, to see if other editors feel they have value and should be allowed. But I am interested in whether you specifically see any problem with them: I know I will get candid feed back from you. If you are amenable, would your User talk page be the appropriate place to display them for you?

Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 13:13, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

In this case I figured I would teach by example rather than take you through it step by step since the article history now will always have that diff allowing you to see the cite journal format I used going forward. However, in the spirit of teaching, I'll also have you take a brief look at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Journal_articles . Now, this link says DOI is optional (that's true), but most editors include it for the sake of having a complete reference and making it easier for Wikipedia users to access the article in question so they can verify that it really supports the claim(s) on Wikipedia for which it serves as a reference. Which edits on the hypertension page rejected by others would you like me to evaluate? As for where to discuss them, sure, you can bring them up on my talk page in more detail if that's convenient for you, that's fine. As for you being a physician, that's terrific! We need knowledgeable people like you on Wikipedia! TylerDurden8823 (talk) 17:36, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you 1) for thanking me for my edits 2) for complimenting me on being a physician. Have you heard the joke "What is the medical student who graduates last in their class called? [answer below]. 3) For changing to "renal artery stenosis": I have been reverted in the past for using "too complicated" terminology, like "moon facies". 4) For agreeing to look at some of my edits: I will present them to you on your Talk page one at a time as time permits. 5) for (attempting to) teach me ; we'll see how good a student I am. [Answer - "Doctor"]

Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 18:22, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you #6 - I see you changed "Prognosis" to "Outcomes" - that is one hundred times better than "Prognosis". I still prefer "Complications"; it's the lingo I'm used to hearing, and note that the "Main article" immediately beneath the title is "Complications of hypertension". Shouldn't they match? Will either of us be executed if we change it and it is at variance with WP:MOS?

Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 18:41, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, for the medical terminology I use wikilinks (which I abbreviate as WL in my edit summaries) to the actual name of the page but I tend to write the text as simply as possible since we're writing for a general audience and medical jargon can definitely be confusing for them so I definitely try to minimize that when possible. As for complimenting you on being a physician, you're welcome. I edit medical content because I think it's important and I certainly have respect for physicians (especially ones who are trying to improve information found on public resources like Wikipedia) to educate people. With respect to the section outcomes, I understand your position. I changed it since it made more sense to me on this particular article to say outcomes than prognosis and it seemed like a compromise and remains consistent with our policy/guideline WP:MEDMOS. It would make sense for them to match...but we need to adhere to what the MEDMOS page says. We won't be "executed", but those guidelines and policies have been around for a long time and worked on extensively so it's pretty much understood that unless there is a truly compelling reason to rebel against them, we adhere (or work on getting those policies and/or guidelines modified). If you change it to complications (especially on a good article like hypertension), it's quite probable that someone will undo your edit citing lack of compliance with that guideline/policy. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 22:18, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Executed was facetious exaggeration - I can live with "Outcomes" which as I said I believe is a hundred times better than "Prognosis".

I will be communicating with you soon on your Talk page. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 22:53, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

I know you were just kidding. :) I look forward to reviewing the edits you wish to discuss. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 23:05, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Did you change your mind? TylerDurden8823 (talk) 21:50, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
No - and thanks for your inquiry. I should have been more specific about what I meant by "soon". IRS took priority over WP for awhile. I will be in touch this Sunday or Monday. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 01:07, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
I definitely understand. I'll watch for your message. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 21:40, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

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It would be exceedingly useful if you provided references when you add new content. For example you added "Lymphomas may be cancerous (95%) or noncancerous (5%)." with no ref Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:07, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Myokine

Thanks for your updates, improvements and other contributions to the Myokine page. Very helpful. User:Lhuntkenora — Preceding undated comment added 18:25, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Metre

It's been a pleasure to watch your work on metre. I was afraid the lead was going to become unreadable until you stepped in, I'd looked gloomily at the etymology section without seeing how to start work on it until you opened it up, and you're bringing a welcome clarity and flow to an article which had grown by accretion and dispute. NebY (talk) 12:14, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Wow> You are most kind, It is always nice to be appreciated. Before I saw that I had a message (this one), I had considered messaging you to thank you for going over my edits so (apparently) meticulously - and not hesitating to jump in with your own (appropriate) editing of my work.
I am a retired professional medical editor, and reading WP articles is both frustrating and exciting, because there is seldom an article I read that I don't think I can improve (ego problem), and it is both tough not to dive in, and personally satisfying when I do.
Not knowing your interests, I will mention that I have completely rewritten the Leads to Introduction to genetics, Caffeine, Magnesium, Atom, John Dalton, Platelet, Ghrelin, and Leptin, to name a few - take a peak if you are interested in reviewing them for readability. My target reader is a high school student not planning on taking advanced placement courses who wants a plain English summary of a topic.
Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 13:22, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
I have to admit, I didn't watch all your edits, only enough to have confidence in how you were going about it and the way it was coming out. Perhaps you've sneaked something outrageous in at the end! But you did give me a way in to the section that had been bothering me by giving me something small I could correct first, before making more radical changes to another editor's work. I've not looked yet at those other articles - it seems you're much more focused than I am. My watchlist just keeps growing; I correct one recent problem and find the same editor's done something similarly problematic in several more articles. So it goes. My most substantial work's been on the lead, description and application parts of Orifice plate, which I tried to pitch it at the level you describe in terms of prior knowledge and comprehension skills - and as I'm sure you can tell me, that's a severe challenge to a writer's analytic abilities. Oh well, I did my best. NebY (talk) 18:33, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

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It looks like you just made massive updates to the article, Potassium. Thank you for your support! However, there is a line in the section Biochemical function which reads in part, "Potassium ans sodium shifts between these compartemnts is mediated..." I am not familiar enough with the subject to fix this. Would you please take a look and make sure it is correct? Thanks! — Anita5192 (talk) 01:21, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
User:Anita5192 Wow - you are a careful reader! Thanks to you! I have corrected the two spelling errors, and changed "shifts" to "movement", which corrects the plural subject and the singular verb. The sentence now reads "The movement of potassium and sodium between these compartments is mediated by the Na+/K+-ATPase pump." I plan many more changes for this Page: keep an eye on me. Isn't it amazing that an average of over a thousand people a day worldwide turn to WP to learn about potassium? We'd better get it "right, clear, and simple". Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 11:00, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
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