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Даже и Беседата. Май колегата (Personal attacks removed) Поздрави!

 Preceding unsigned comment added by Rumensz (talkcontribs) 13:09, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Радвам се, че четете. Скромен риторичен въпрос - Кое е смешното в тази редакция - Отговор: (Personal attack removed) за очевидната грешка. И - Кое е полезното в тази редакция - Отговор: Нищо, освен категориите.

А защо пиша тук, а не "към" някой Бг администратор? - Отговор-въпрос: А мога ли изобщо в БгУ? Rumensz (talk) 11:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Последното едва ли е разбрано. Ама Вие сте писали: "Можете да се свържете с ‪Петър Петров‬ или друг администратор, за да обсъдите блокирането." Няма как да стане като има блокиране (Personal attacks removed)

Един редактор се изказа, че било правилно блокирането. (Personal attack removed) Няма много морал в тая работа. Можеше поне 1 ден да си довърша състезанието, а не да ходя в други езикови части. А там не видях заяждания с кавички и чертички, а наистина съвестна работа с поставяне на източници и допълнение - Така се прави. Rumensz (talk) 14:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Резултатите са ясни. Даже взех да подарявам статии, щото хората имат нужда. Не някой (Personal attack removed).

Но въпросът ми е - Защо ми блокирахте Беседата? (Personal attacks removed) Що ли? Rumensz (talk) 08:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Rumensz, you are mistaken—I haven't "blocked" your talk page.
When Петър Петров blocked you, he also revoked your right to edit your talk page. What I did later was merely to protect your user page and your talk page, which is standard practice. This prevents both confusion—people asking you questions might not realize that you cannot reply—and vandalism.
As to why Петър Петров revoked your talk page access, you should probably ask him. Considering your history of confrontational behavior and the habit of actively communicating with other users during previous blocks, I think he did make the right call, whatever the specific reasons might have been.
Lastly, please stop harassing me with these comments. The fact that I tried to mediate the situation does not give you the right to continue seeking communication with me, especially considering that you ignored all my advice given in good faith. If you continue this behavior, I will ask the administrators here to take appropriate measures.
 Luchesar  T/C 09:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Благодаря за разяснението. Както и за това, че сте се постарали и за останалите редактори. Но начините за комуникация с други редактори както виждате е възможна. Без да посочвам и други възможности. Стигматизирането ми няма за помогне за обществения интерес (или за гласуването :)) камо ли за Проекта. Rumensz (talk) 10:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
След тези заплахи ми е трудно да пиша, но .. Всъщност не разбрах защо изобщо ми блокирахте и потребителската страница (въпрос?). Това какво ще Ви помогне? Имам още десетки, но на Бг можех да си поправя нещо. Аз продължавам да си пиша статиите, вече 120 нови за писатели от Западна Европа и Америките. Та и Вас да питам - Ще ми се дадат ли 2-3 дни за участие в "Месец на Азия", за да имам време да се подготвя?? Изборите ще са минали, у нас и в САЩ. Или да се обърна към по-горна инстанция? И още един въпрос - (Personal attack removed) е решил, че като ме няма ще може свободно да (Personal attack removed) статиите ми (bg:Арнолд Уескър, bg:Ди Браун, и др.) с някаква цел (май и видя от някой друг, защото пренасянето на източниците към външните препратки си е вандализъм) - Така ли ще я караме?. Rumensz (talk) 14:22, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Продължавам да си чакам някакво обяснение защо ми блокирахте потребителската страница. Rumensz (talk) 13:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Rumensz, quoting from Wikipedia:Blocking policy, “a site-wide blocked user will only be able to edit their own user talk page”. In other words, when you are blocked from the whole Wikipedia project—in this case bgwiki—as opposed to being blocked only from specific pages, you automatically lose the ability to edit your user pages as well.
As stated, the only page that site-wide blocked users like you can edit by default is their talk page. And let me reiterate that I'm not the administrator who has blocked you, so please let's not go back to the question “but why am I not allowed to edit my talk page then?” I've commented on this earlier.
As to why I did protect—not “block”—your user and talk pages, I explained that earlier, but let me repeat it. Since you cannot edit these pages while being blocked, this is standard practice, particularly for long-term blocks. It aims to protect against possible vandalism, which you wouldn't be able to revert yourself—and there's no guarantee other editors would pay attention.
Hope this answers your question.
 Luchesar  T/C 11:47, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Е, вече не виждам проблем Вие да не ми блокирате разговорната страница, или поне да си подготвям статии в собствена Чернова. Имам готови над 450 статии. Все някога ще им дойде времето. Вредата сега е за Уикипедия и хората. Е, 1-2 се радват, ама каква е ползата. --Rumensz (talk) 14:39, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Вече готовите ми статии са над 500, при това допълнени с такива за цитати, с нови категории, с готови допълнения към други статии, и пр.
Та питам кое е по-добре - Да пишеш статии или да триеш статии? Да помагаш на редактори или да гониш редактори? Да си избран с консенсус или да говориш за консенсус? Да имаш обосновано самочувствие като се трудиш или да трупаш самочувствие със сила като преследваш тези, които се трудят? --Rumensz (talk) 15:06, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

Rumensz, if your message is meant as an appeal of your block, then here is my response:

For context, you have been blocked numerous times on the Bulgarian Wikipedia by different sysops for uncivilized and disruptive behaviour in breach of our WP:NPA and WP:CIV policies. Before your most recent one-year block, you had been blocked twice for six months. Each time, after the block expired, you continued with the same behaviour, leading to a new block within 3-5 months. Each time—and in fact many, many times, and for many years—different editors have tried to explain to you what's wrong with this behaviour and have asked you to change it.

This suggests either that you have serious difficulty understanding what is wrong—or that you intentionally act this way, in open and obstinate defiance of Wikipedia’s rules.

For clarity, although we've already discussed this here, none of the blocks for WP:NPA and WP:CIV violations were imposed by me. I did reset the clock of your last block—for a separate offence: abusing sockpuppets to evade a block, and engaging in continued disruptive behaviour. The sockpuppet abuse was confirmed by the stewards. This is a serious offence.

WP:EVADE prescribes that “[a]n administrator may reset the block of a user who intentionally evades a block, and may extend the duration of the block if the user engages in further blockable behavior while evading the block.” On the Bulgarian Wikipedia we follow the same policy: resetting the clock for block evasion is fairly standard practice. In fact, as prescribed, I probably should have imposed additional time due to your disruptive behaviour while using the sockpuppet. I decided against it because you were already blocked for a pretty long period.

It seems, however, that you not only fail to appreciate this leniency, but also believe yourself to be unjustly restricted. This could not be further from the truth.

Your behaviour was—and still is—highly disruptive, as demonstrated even here on the English Wikipedia talk pages. It shows blatant disregard not simply for the rules of Wikipedia but for its very spirit: of consensus-seeking and cooperation, of assuming good faith and showing respect towards the rest of the community.

I may have ignored your personal attacks—to not escalate the situation further—but they haven't gone unnoticed. Two examples—I'm grateful to Pelajanela for removing them—are Special:Diff/1277698490 and Special:Diff/1277699272. It doesn't matter if I am an administrator—this doesn't give you carte blanche to compare me to faeces or make other offensive references. The big issue, of course, is that you've been treating everyone you disagree with this way, sysops and regular editors alike.

You absolutely can criticize what other contributors do. But you must do this respectfully and constructively. Ad hominem is neither respectful, nor constructive.

Even in this very request you display the same behavioural pattern that you've been following for years. The way you put it, it is only your work that is important, only your opinion is valid, only you deserve respect. This isn't how Wikipedia works. Everyone's contributions are helpful—as long as the community considers them such—even if you, personally, dislike them.

And let's make this very clear. As valuable as your contributions might be—I'm not giving an opinion on this, merely explaining a hypothetical case—they cannot justify abusing the rules of Wikipedia. At best, a valuable editor can expect some lenience in “grey” areas or with small infractions. But no contributions put an editor above the rules—or the rest of the community.

Wikipedia is a collaborative project, not an individual platform. Respect for the community and its norms is not optional—it is fundamental to the entire enterprise.

In the light of all this, your request—if it is indeed a request to lift the block—is Red XN denied.

Unless you're raising a new and relevant question, please consider this the final clarification I can offer. You do have the right to appeal a block (though you had addressed your previous appeals to the wrong sysop). But with these continuing remarks—many of them overtly snide or sarcastic—you go way beyond a reasonable appeal. This crosses into harassment. Please stop.
 Luchesar  T/C 16:44, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

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