User talk:Marvingauld

Thanks for your contributions to Marian Pop. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing as a live article at this time because it consists of machine-generated text. I have converted it to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit the draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. --Gurkubondinn (talk) 17:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Thank you, I did not used machine-generated text but I have taken some time to revise the article further this evening and have submitted it for review here (I was unable to move it back as another editor locked the protections). The draft is here: Draft:Marian_Pop. If you have time and inclination I would appreciate a review. Thank you Marvingauld (talk) 18:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Yeah, I am not so convinced anymore that this is 100% machine generated, but you did most definitely use an LLM for something. The ISBNs are pretty fishy for example. Regardless, I think it is best for this to go through AfC. I'm not an AfC reviewer myself, but someone will get to it. --Gurkubondinn (talk) 18:42, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

I did use an LLM to help me write the discography templates as I did not understand that template correctly (I kept breaking it when I tried manually) - could that be it? Surprised about the ISBNs, why are they strange? Thanks for your help Marvingauld (talk) 18:49, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Ah I think I understand the ISBNs thing, Wikipedia doesnt support ISMNs (these are specific to music publications...) which I included in the id tag (there was no ISMN tag). Thanks Marvingauld (talk) 18:56, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Ah, that would probably explain it if these are not books.. But you can't really cite music (though there is {{cite av media}} which does have an ismn parameter), and you can't cite this artists music to say something about their music. You need to cite an WP:RS that says something about the music. Their music itself is not a source for anything other than the music existing. --Gurkubondinn (talk) 19:19, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Great thank you that makes a lot of sense! They are books about music rather than being music themselves. The author published their PhD thesis as two books and for some reason the publisher has both ISBNs and ISMNs for the same objects (the books). I think in this case since the actual objects are published books rather than music it makes sense to only include the ISBNs. Very interesting that AV media includes that parameter. I have cited also a source which mentions them separately. Thanks again - learnt some interesting things today! Marvingauld (talk) 21:02, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Academic papers are usually assigned a DOI (preprints on arXiv have an id system of their own), and journals have ISSN and often ISBN identifiers (not the papers themselves). Try searching f.ex. WorldCat and Google Scholar for them. You can also ask for help on WP:REFDESK. And btw, you probably want to use {{cite journal}} for these references.

And ISMN is an identification system for music, so it makes sense that {{cite av media}} has a parameter for it. :) --Gurkubondinn (talk) 21:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Actually when I think about it, it is pretty odd for {{cite av media}} to have a parameter for ISMN, because it is fronted music and "AV" is not printed. You are right about that. Weird.

It might be available in other citations templates, many of the parameters seem to be carried across many of them (I think a lot of them are based on {{cite web}}). --Gurkubondinn (talk)< --Gurkubondinn (talk) 21:17, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Yeah exactly, I would expect ISMN to be part of the normal bibliographic templates rather than the AV one.

Also, I figured out what triggered the AI warning - I had used ChatGPT also to fix the referencing structure (again doing it manually I broke stuff) and for some reason it hallucinated itself a utm_source parameter - however the reference itself was entirely complete (News website article about the subject). Frustrating but lesson learned, thank you :) Marvingauld (talk) 20:40, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

And another reason to just learn how to use the reference templates yourself :) Next time it might hallucinate a different URL or something else that changes the reference, because clearly it cannot be trusted with references in any capacity. It would be your Wikipedia account that would be awarded with a block, the chatbot would not suffer the consequences of its misdeeds. --Gurkubondinn (talk) 20:56, 5 March 2026 (UTC)