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Nomination of Climate Action Plan for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Climate Action Plan is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Climate Action Plan until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. J♯m (talk | contribs) 16:10, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Since you contributed to the discussion over at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Climate action, I wanted to ping you and let you know that your input would be valued. I am posting this notice on the talk page for every editor who has contributed to that discussion and the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Avoiding dangerous climate change, regardless of their vote or apparent viewpoint. 16:16, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Primarily
Magoo, 'primarily' refers to how often it's reported on. That is, the overwhelming number of mentions are about the pejorative usage. That doesn't necessarily mean that's the primary way the word is used. It just means that it's what's reported on. valereee (talk) 19:11, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry, but what exactly do you mean? You've lost me. I don't think our sources even mention the word pejorative. What mentions? We have mentions of neither primarily nor pejorative, really. I think in the past I saw a third source for derogatory. --Mr. Magoo (talk) 19:14, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- Magoo, what I mean is that while there's at least an OR argument to be made that most of the time when the term "politically correct" pops up in news articles, it's referring to the pejorative or derogatory usage of the word. BUT, that doesn't mean that the word isn't used in other ways just as commonly. It just means that when it's used in other ways, no one is bothering to comment on it. Kind of like no one would comment on 'blue' referring to the color of the sky. It doesn't mean the sky isn't blue; it just means no one feels the need to point it out.
- Re: pejorative vs. derogatory -- they're synonyms. http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/pejorative
- valereee (talk) 19:20, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- Can you pinpoint an article where it's used specifically as a pejorative towards somebody and not as a general criticism of some sort of restriction? Because the first article Google gave me was Kareem-Abdul Jabbar defending political correctness. I think it can get very vague. And at the talk page we've been down the synonym road before. I've used your argument. It doesn't work. It apparently has to be the exact word. --Mr. Magoo (talk) 19:26, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- No, it doesn't have the be the exact word. If anyone is telling you that, they're wrong, but I suspect a simple miscommunication. Wikipedia editors are encouraged to paraphrase, as trying to use the exact words often results in copyvio; a bigger problem is too-close paraphrasing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphrasing_of_copyrighted_material If a word is a close synonym without alternate definitions or connotations that could be confusing as to meaning, it's fine.valereee (talk) 19:42, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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Your post to my talk about DRN
Your post to my talk page is, in my opinion, neither civil nor constructive, and this reply is, among other things, a warning about incivility. However, I will try to address it civilly and constructively. You wrote: “You effectively killed a good article, along with Sandstein (AfD is typically one of the most effective cogs of Wikipedia, getting results in a week). It isn’t clear whether you mean Avoiding dangerous climate change or Climate change mitigation or something else. If you disagree with User:Sandstein’s close of the AFD as No Consensus, and you want his close changed, the place to request review is Deletion Review. If you disagree with my conclusion that DRN is not an appropriate venue to review an AFD, discuss at the dispute resolution talk page. You refer to someone as "the changer", and say that they are the only person at the talk page. It isn’t clear who you mean by "the changer". It also isn’t clear why you won’t try to discuss at the talk page. If you disagree with the close of the AFD, take it to DRV (which is not the same as DRN). If you want to discuss with the changer or anyone else, discuss on the talk page. If you merely want to complain, do it somewhere other than on my talk page. If you want advice about something else having to do with Wikipedia, visit the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:46, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- I think that line's more "uncouth" (a synonym), but I have to point out I didn't write that you did anything wrong. It describes why before and in that coarse line specifies "effectively". The language is indeed uncouth and I'm working on that aspect of me at the moment. I think it wouldn't have been seen as uncivil if I had just switched the word "killed" to something tame, safe for children? The reaction the last signpost got for using a single curse was similarly bewildering... I've got to get used to different people from different cultures. Lastly I want to point out that instead of responding there you came here to do what I did there, complain... --Mr. Magoo (talk) 04:00, 29 February 2016 (UTC)



