User talk:Northernhenge

Hey there Northernhenge. I saw you verify and fix the source integrity in Diff/1343019333. Thank you for doing this, it is a very tedious and time consuming task. But instead of removing the {{AI-retrieved source}} tag, could you instead set the checked parameter:

{{AI-retrieved source |date=February 2026 |checked={{subst:CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}} }}

That way the article is in the relevant categories, and maintains statistics for how prevalent this problem is. I also tend to leave parameters like utm_source=chatgpt.com intact, because then tools like Cite Unseen will mark it in the reflist, but I don't feel very strongly about that. Again, thanks for going through this. It is tedious but important. --Gurkubondinn (talk) 22:15, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

Also pinging Folkezoft, whom I believe may have added the tag in the first place. --Gurkubondinn (talk) 22:16, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

Thanks @Gurkubondinn: and @Folkezoft:. I can do that in future, and it would effectively leave an audit trail, which makes sense. In this particular case, the ref that I kept could have easily been found without using AI, and the ones I removed were almost irrelevant, so it made sense (to me) to just put the article into a better state, but I agree that maintaining statistics – for how prevalent this problem is – is a good thing to do. My hesitation is that if one rogue editor adds one AI-retrieved source to an article, is that article then forever condemned to be in the AI-retrieved source maintenance category even after it's fixed? Would that prevent it ever becoming a GA? --Northernhenge (talk) 22:30, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

I don't think that these categories are actually being used for anything (currently), but I am also not very familiar with the GA process. My thinking is just that it would be good to maintain audit trails and statistics as much as possible, if in the future there will be policy proposals or something like that where it could be useful to show the magnitude of this problem and how much volunteer time it drains.

Personally at least, I would never take this as any sort of sign that an article has been "condemned" or degraded to a lower status for it. If anything, this speaks to the integrity of the sources in the article since there is an audit trail.

But these are just my opinions, and there is nothing that prevents you (or anyone else) from removing the tags if you think that is a better approach. This is just what I do, as someone that spend far more time wading through AI-generated gunk than I would like to. The encyclopedia must be protected, and auditing the integrity of references like you just did is far more important than minute details of how to handle a tag. :)

--Gurkubondinn (talk) 22:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

Thanks Northernhenge, that's a really useful source. I have found several other sources that are a bit more recent, but none with that sort of coverage. over both Irish and UK waters. Mikenorton (talk) 12:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that error on word of mouth marketing. Just to be clear, that was not an intentional deletion -- I'd had the URL selected to check it, and then must have hit a key while trying to make another edit. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:09, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

That’s the kind of thing I do too! --Northernhenge (talk) 19:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for your thanks, but it didn't make any difference. See . ThoughtIdRetired _TIR 20:18, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

I can, however, see that this is a borderline case. Lists, especially ones that start, or could start, with a colon, are normally delimited with semicolons. I don't find MOS:SEMICOLON very clear though. Where it says "Semicolons are used in addition to commas to separate items in a listing, when commas alone would result in confusion" I think it means that individual lists could be delimited by either commas or semicolons. I can see both sides of this one. Semicolons can be "unwieldy" (quoting from the MOS) but they're useful when any of the list entries contain commas. Personally, I tend to use bullet-lists instead of semicolon-lists, but I know some people don't like bullets! --Northernhenge (talk) 21:04, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for gently moderating that discussion to a conclusion. I hope you could remain as calm in reality as you appeared through text! A.D.Hope (talk) 19:12, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

Thanks. It was fortunate that everybody there wanted to work towards a good solution, which is probably not always the case in every discussion! Northernhenge (talk) 19:33, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

It isn't the case, no! I'm glad we could come to a solution, and I'll be happy to see you in a discussion again should we cross paths A.D.Hope (talk) 08:17, 11 April 2026 (UTC)

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Can I ask why you have recreated this page which was draftified (being that it was not ready for mainspace) about an hour beforehand? Cheerio, Mattdaviesfsic. Talk to me. 21:01, 1 August 2026 (UTC)

My advice would be to CSD #G7 it, given that the draftification happened beforehand. Cheerio, Mattdaviesfsic. Talk to me. 21:03, 1 August 2026 (UTC)

It was an edit clash. I made some fixes but after I’d published them I realised the article had been draftified while I was making the changes. I didn’t know how to fix that so just left it alone. --Northernhenge (talk) 22:19, 1 August 2026 (UTC)

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