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Need your opinion
Hello, I'm Rae. I noticed that there's no article on the page for the Irunmọlẹ (primordial deities) and it instead just redirects to be Oriṣa page. I personally think there should be a separate article for the Irunmọlẹ as they aren't exactly the same, but I'm not so sure if that'd be okay. You seem to be quite experienced in areas like this so could you please tell me what your opinion is on this? Theguycalledrae (talk) 21:17, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
- Hi Theguycalledrae, and nice to meet you. Well, all Irunmalẹ are Oriṣa, but the same is not true on the converse, i.e not all Oriṣa are Irunmale. The irunmale are the 'Foundational entities/forces of the earth', but I am guessing that it is likely you're already quite familiar with the nuances. On the issue of a new article, there isn't exactly anything stopping any contributor from creating a new article for the Irunmale/Irunmole/Imale/Imole if they wish to do so, since like you pointed out earlier, they aren't exactly the same as Orishas although both are heavily intertwined/related... Just have your supporting references to back up any claims being made in any such article(s), and of course, try to be as clear and precise as possible on all the associated nuances. Reply if you need any further help/clarifications. Oramfe (talk) 23:01, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
Yoruba Genetics
Hi @Oramfe,
E-M2 is a descendant of E-V38.
E-V38 originated in Northeast Africa. ~2026-15046-15 (talk) 18:57, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
@~2026-15046-15 While it is true that E-M2 is a sub-clade of E-V38 which has deep origins somewhere in Eastern Africa, it did indeed originate within West/Central Africa. Talking about E-V38's deep origins in East Africa 41,000 years ago in relation to the identities and histories of contemporary ethnic groups across Africa which didn't even exist at the time is analogous to saying 'Zulus originated in East Africa' because their dominant haplogrouping is E-M2 or that Galicians and Cantabrians of Northern Spain originated in East Africa because of E-M81, or that a third of Jordanian Arabs ancestors 'migrated' from East Africa because of E-M123 (which are even more recent descendants). It holds no practical utility/meaning in such discussions, except perhaps in specialized genetic panels focused on deep prehistory and such, hence why I first moved it to the genetic history section and then changed the wording.