User talk:Pacerier

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Just to let you know I added a reference regarding the "mother of all wars" you tagged. Took me all of thirty seconds to do a Google search and find a reputable source (Oxford University Press). Why not try it sometime you lazy shit instead of tagging stuff in violation of WP:IDL? You're probable a sock puppet anyway! 81.132.175.97 (talk) 21:09, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello

I am Codename Lisa and I am responding to your clarification request on Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Unfortunately, you had not supplied a talk page discussion or explanation about what you want clarified. So, you tag had to go. If this was an article, I would have asked you "What do you want clarified?" But it is a high-traffic policy page; such tags cannot remain on it for long. We already have a lot of outstanding requests in the talk page and are in a hurry to zero the backlog.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 13:36, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Can you please explain this odd edit? That, along with a few others , makes me (and at least one other editor) wonder if you are running an unapproved bot. Please note that if you continue to make odd edits wtihout explaining addressing these concerns that you may be blocked. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 19:52, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Pacerier (talk) 00:59, 2 March 2016 (UTC): ❝

I'm not a bot. Those edits are done by hand.

Typically, I don't write edit comments if they appear to be self-explanatory.

Re first edit, the articles "Groupthink" and "Talking point" are related. A group suffering from groupthink has symptoms of reaching "consensus decisions without critical evaluation of alternative viewpoints"; whereas talking points are used to sell points of view by "assure[ing] agreement and common response". Both concepts deal with dysfunctional consensus/agreement.

Re second edit, the articles "Mischief rule" and "Letter and spirit of the law" are related. The mischief rule when applied allows judges to judge based on the intent of the legislature; whereas the spirit of the law refers to the intent of the creator of the law. Both concepts deal with intention of the creator of the law, as contrasted with the law itself.

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The "odd" aspect is that you appear to be attempting to directly link to the "See also" subsection of the articles, as in this edit. In this edit, I'm not sure what the point is in linking several articles on the same line. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 15:01, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Pacerier (talk) 04:18, 3 March 2016 (UTC): ❝

I linked those articles together because they share similar concepts.

Like the two paragraphs above, 'could've codified the relation for each and every item, however that would take too much time. It is more practical to let the edits speak for themselves in cases where they appear self-evident (self-evident not by the title of the article, but by the full contents of the article; ie self-evident by the interpretation of the average reader who has groked both articles).

The link to the "see also" section tells the reader to also see the "see also" section of said linked article; because the articles listed in the "see also" section share similar concepts with the article.

• Csd scenario S1:

We have a concept "intention of the creator of the law, as contrasted with the law itself"; Concept‑1. This concept is splayed over ${\displaystyle 9}$ articles; Article‑A to Article‑I.

In each article's "see also" section, we have to list ${\displaystyle 9-1=8}$ articles. This is repeated for each and every article. When we find another article with Concept‑1, we have to modify ${\displaystyle 8}$ articles. In fact, ${\displaystyle \#}$ edits needed increases for each and every new article found, giving us a total of ${\displaystyle \sum _{i=2}^{n}i}$ edits where ${\displaystyle n=\#}$ articles.

• Csd scenario S2:

Instead of repeatedly listing ${\displaystyle n-1}$ articles in each and every article's "see also" section; the list exist only in Article‑I's "see also".

Every other article points to Article‑I's "see also" where the list is kept and updated. Total ${\displaystyle \#}$ edits needed is ${\displaystyle 2(n-1)}$.

S2 is more ideal than S1 because there is a single location where edits occur. This not only reduces the number of edits needed, but also ensures that edits will not be "missed out" (ie having the "see also" section of a subset of the ${\displaystyle n}$ articles not being updated together with the rest). (These are also the exact same reasons for preference of DRY solutions.)

• Csd scenario S3:

We have the same scenario as S1 but with an additional article; Article‑Z. Article‑Z shares a concept with Article‑C; Concept‑2. On the other hand, the other articles from Article‑A to Article‑I do not share Concept‑2. Visualization:

In such a case, Article‑C must be linked to Article‑Z and vice-versa. However, the other articles from Article‑A to Article‑I must not be linked to Article‑Z. Thus Article‑C's "see also" section has ${\displaystyle 8+1=9}$ articles while for the other articles from Article‑A to Article‑I, it's ${\displaystyle 8+0=8}$.

• Csd scenario S4:

Instead of having ${\displaystyle 9}$ articles in Article‑C's "see also" section, it's now ${\displaystyle 1+1=2}$ (one pointing to Article‑Z, while the other pointing to Article‑I's "see also"). The other articles from Article‑A to Article‑I have ${\displaystyle 1+0=1}$ link (the link to Article‑I's "see also").

S4 is more ideal than S3 because the reader can clearly see the relationship between the articles linked; way clearer than S2 in which the relationship is hidden. (All editors are first readers. In S3, after the editor has linked Article‑Z to Article‑C, he will need to ask himself "Is Concept‑2 also relevant in Article‑A?"; this question is repeated ${\displaystyle n-1}$ times, once for each article from Article‑A to Article‑I that is not Article‑C. In S4, the editor will only need to ask himself one question: "Is Concept‑2 related to Concept‑1?")

My edits were simply enabling S2 and S4, seeing that both S1 and S3 are inferior to them respectively. (Main reason being S1 vs S2.)

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Pacerier (talk) 17:48, 3 March 2016 (UTC): ❝

Articles being listed side-by-side are two sides of the same coin (or multiple sides of the same die). Csd "Golden rule", "Literal rule", "Mischief rule", and "Purposive approach"; these ${\displaystyle 4}$ concepts are parts of a single concept, hence are being grouped together on a single line. A single line is used instead of multiple lines because: §

This style requires less space on the page, and is preferred if there are only a few entries in the list, it can be read easily, […]

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That's an exciting explanation, but you don't get to make up conventions that aren't part of the manual of style. Please stick to a few simple, relevant links, each one a separate bullet point. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 06:12, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Pacerier (talk) 17:54, 3 March 2016 (UTC): ❝

I had read and was following the manual of style.

These conventions aren't made up by me; they are the kind of edits that I see happening. Csd Edit‑573063002; it's done by User:Chris Howard who has been here for over a decade.

The manual of style doesn't cover everything as that's infeasible. In fact, it clearly didn't state that each item in the "see also" section must stand on a separate bullet point. That's not even a "general rule", let alone a strict one.

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