User talk:RobbieSpargo

you can read WP:CENSOR (and preferably the entirety of WP:NOT if you haven't yet read it), it would give you an explanation on why I reverted some (not every single one though) of your edits. Basically, wikipedia doesn't hide anything explicit, so there's no point in trying to remove explicit links. Do not take this personally, I'm just trying to explain to you a wikipedia policy. It's called a policy for a reason! :) Yelps ᘛ⁠⁐̤⁠ᕐ⁠ᐷ critique me 09:36, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Frost. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Squatting position—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. Frost 09:23, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Materialscientist. I noticed that you made a change to an article, List of Cornish dialect words, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 14:41, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

Don't interfere with topics you know nothing about just because of "sources". RobbieSpargo (talk) 15:14, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi RobbieSpargo! I noticed that you've made several edits in order to restore your preferred version of John Hawkins (geologist). The impulse to repeatedly undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure that you're aware of Wikipedia's edit warring policy. Repeatedly undoing the changes made by other users in a back-and-forth fashion like this is disallowed, even if you feel what you're doing is justifiable.

All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages in order to try to reach a consensus with the other editors involved. If you are unable to come to an agreement at Talk:John Hawkins (geologist), please use one of the dispute resolution options that are available in order to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of repeatedly reverting other editors' changes can help you avoid getting drawn into edit wars. Thank you.Halbared (talk) 22:21, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

We can just discuss it here, what do you wish to say? RobbieSpargo (talk) 23:42, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

OK, I think the article talk page is a better place. This source states Hawkins was English, what sources state he was Cornish? Halbared (talk) 11:48, 1 January 2026 (UTC)

Well, he was born in Cornwall to Cornish parents. And his brother's wikipedia article is headed with Cornish (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Christopher_Hawkins,_1st_Baronet) RobbieSpargo (talk) 12:24, 1 January 2026 (UTC)

When I checked John Hawkins was described as English, his brother being in a wiki article and the lead using 'Cornish' is Circular sourcing. If you stay on wiki you'll see articles on different family members from British families being described as being from the different Home Countries, as they are not exclusive and identity can be dual. I see the Hawkins family moved to the county in 1554, Hawkins being an old English name. Halbared (talk) 16:13, 1 January 2026 (UTC)

Well According to yourself, if the Hawkins family had been in Cornwall since 1554 (if so they I would expect the family would've intermarried with other Cornish people meaning Cornish ancestry from an even earlier date) then surely he would be Cornish? RobbieSpargo (talk) 14:47, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

It's not according to me, it's a source I read. Assumptions on what the family did is WP:OR. Halbared (talk) 11:24, 6 January 2026 (UTC)

Where is the 1554 date from may I ask? RobbieSpargo (talk) 14:29, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

here. Halbared (talk) 10:53, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

Even assuming this factoid is true (it probably is). The family had still intermarried with the Cornish for hundreds of years. I see Mr. Hawkin's dad's ancestry was practically entirely Cornish (this is off ancestry.com but backed by https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_parochial_history_of_Cornwall.djvu/399) RobbieSpargo (talk) 21:18, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

I see the 1554 date is also mentioned there. This is a list of marriages, read WP:SYNTH. This source says Hawkins was English, is there a source that states he said he was Cornish? Halbared (talk) 10:45, 17 January 2026 (UTC)

You and I seem to have different views of sourcing. I would tend to think that evidence backing a claim is as good a source as a another source making the claim itself. Am I right in thinking you would say something else? RobbieSpargo (talk) 23:56, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

Is there another source? I searched myself but could no find one. Halbared (talk) 09:17, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

The previously cited Wikisource provides evidence to him being of Cornish ancestry. Out of interest do you really think in your 'heart of hearts' That Mr John Hawkins, a man born in Cornwall with Cornish ancestry, wasn't Cornish? RobbieSpargo (talk) 14:02, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

That source doesn't state it, it's back to synth, unlike the one which calls him English.

To your question, I don't know, in Cornwall the landed gentry tended to identify as English or be from English families (Hawkins etc) to some people there is no difference, they are not exclusionary. British identities over-weave, a good example is Richard Brannagh, who says he is British, Irish and Northern Irish/Ulster, he feels no contradiction there as the identities overlap and for him they don't contradict each other. But what we feel isn't how wiki works, it goes off sources. Halbared (talk) 22:01, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

The source doesn't state that he was Cornish outright but it provides evidence to and implies he was. He is a fairly obscure figure so there won't be many sources to make outright assertions. In all fairness the source you have quoted doesn't make an outright assertion either, it only calls him an 'English student in Germany' which isn't quite the same as "English".

Surely we can both admit that "John Hawkins was a Cornish etc." is a true statement. Baring in mind that he was a man who'd had ancestry from Cornwall for centuries and family described as Cornish. I really can't see how that would be an untrue assertion. RobbieSpargo (talk) 10:46, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

Well at the moment, there is what is considered synth/original research for 'Cornish', and an explicit descriptor of 'English' in one source, as well as WP:STABLE. Please find a source that's says Hawkins is Cornish that doesn't rely on interpretation. I'll do some more searching myself when I have time. I don't mind if you ping me to remind me of this conversation. :) Halbared (talk) 09:46, 31 January 2026 (UTC)

Surely if his brother is Cornish it would follow that he's Cornish? RobbieSpargo (talk) 14:47, 4 January 2026 (UTC)