User talk:Samaniaa

Hello, Samaniaa, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions.

I noticed that one of the first articles you edited was Draft:Dr. Ishan Shivanand, which appears to be dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article. Your recent contributions may have already been undone for this very reason.

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Hello Jay8g,

Thank you for this note, which I am only just seeing now. I'm not familiar with the UI, its the first time I'm creating articles, so I missed it completely. As I mentioned in my response below, I am not connected with Dr. Shivanand in personal or professional capacity.

Thank you for the steer on draft before submission. I thought that's what I had done. I did not explicitly submit the draft for review, atleast not to my knowledge. I was working in draft mode over the weekend and today. If you are willing to proofread, and give me feedback, I'd be very grateful, and make the required changes.

Please let me know what's the best way to proceed from here.

Thank you for your time. Samaniaa (talk) 18:37, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello Samaniaa. The nature of your edits, such as the one you made to Draft:Yoga of Immortals, gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being employed (or being compensated in any way) by a person, group, company or organization to promote their interests. Paid advocacy on Wikipedia must be disclosed even if you have not specifically been asked to edit Wikipedia. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Samaniaa. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Samaniaa|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. Sam Kuru (talk) 11:26, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

Again, please respond here before making any more promotional edits. Sam Kuru (talk) 13:45, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello,

Thank you for your note. I can confirm, I DO NOT have any paid engagements with Dr. Ishan Shivanand. I have my own work, which has nothing in common with Dr. Shivanand's work. I want to create this page, because I admire the work he's doing for mental health. How can I get the content restored please?

If you have any queries, please do not hesitate to contact me. Samaniaa (talk) 14:12, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

Sure, your drafts still exist at Draft:Yoga of Immortals and Draft:Ishan Shivanand. Please do not use any SEO blogs as sources for your drafts. There also appears to be several predatory journals in the list of sources, but I'll let other editors evaluate those. Can you help me understand the license you gave for this image. You're claiming it as 'own work', but it seems to be a prior published PR headshot. Sam Kuru (talk) 15:07, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you Sam.

"Please do not use any SEO blogs as sources for your drafts" - Do you mean, I should not cite blogs? I think I used one Medium article, I can remove that.

"There also appears to be several predatory journals in the list of sources" - I thought I was picking up links from legitimate sources. Can you help me understand, which journals look predatory?

Image: I told the UK representative that I wanted to create Wikipedia articles for Dr. Shivanand, and Yoga of Immortals, and asked if I could have a photo. This is one they sent to me. I didn't know how to classify it. If I should change, it please guide me, I'll be happy to.

Is the article under review now? Do I need to submit it? Apologies if these are basic questions, I'm not familiar with the process.

I was going to ask the representative to give me a logo file for the YOI article. If I receive it and upload, will I get into trouble?

Any guidance you can provide, I'd appreciate. I want to do this right.

Thank you. Samaniaa (talk) 18:02, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm very confused. There are now 2 pages:

1. Draft:Dr. Ishan Shivanand and 2. Draft:Ishan Shivanand

I did not create 2, but the content is visible on that page.

I created and was editing 1, but there is no content on there. Seems like its been deleted?

How do I get 1 back please? Samaniaa (talk) 18:42, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

1. We should not be using blogs or other user-generated content at all, except in some limited contexts. We should never use one like "medium/authority" since it's a SEO blog used to promote people or companies in an undisclosed way. Usage of sources like that, and repeatedly adding them, set of all kinds of alarms.

2. The "frontiers" line of publications has a long history of problems; again, I'll let someone more in tune with that brand evaluate the links.

3. For the image; that's not a valid license. You're not the creator of the work, and it does not sound like they were aware they would be donating it under a perpetual CC license. Please read though WP:PERMISSION and work through the Volunteer Response Team to validate the license. I'll removed that for now - sorry, we're really touchy about clear copyrights.

4. The article is not currently under review. You will need to submit it - see WP:AFC for instructions.

5. See 3 above. They can't just "send you" an image, they must understand that it will be published under an open license and other will be able to use it in the future without their permission (as long as they abide by the new license) and give clear, written permission for this.

6. We don't use academic titles here unless it's actually a well-recognized part of a subject's name; Stephen Hawking does not use his many titles, but oddly Doctor Dré would since that's his "recognized" name. Draft:Ishan Shivanand is the right place for the article, just work on it there.

Sorry if this is all confusing. We have to be careful about biographies of living persons, and we also have to be careful of WP:FRINGE.Sam Kuru (talk) 04:11, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for the detailed email, and the steer. It is very helpful. I have read the articles, and reached out to the representative seeking permission to use as per guidelines. Will update it once I have a response.

Thank you. Samaniaa (talk) 11:53, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for uploading File:Yoga of Immortals logo.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of non-free use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --Min☠︎rax^«¦talk¦» 02:15, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello,

I used the image on this article: Draft:Yoga of Immortals. I had added it, but looking at revision history it was removed. I have added it again. Are you able to help me understand why it was removed?

Thank you. Samaniaa (talk) 02:33, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for uploading File:Yoga of immortals logo.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of non-free use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --Min☠︎rax^«¦talk¦» 03:05, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Pythoncoder was:

Your draft shows signs of having been generated by a large language model, such as ChatGPT. Their outputs usually have multiple issues that prevent them from meeting our guidelines on writing articles. These include:

• Promotional tone, editorializing and other words to watch
• Vague, generic, and speculative statements extrapolated from similar subjects
• Essay-like writing
• Hallucinations (plausible-sounding, but false information) and non-existent references
• Close paraphrasing
  

Please address these issues. The best way is usually to read reliable sources and summarize them, instead of using a large language model. See our help page on large language models.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Ishan Shivanand and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

—pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 07:59, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Samaniaa! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! —pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 07:59, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Pythoncoder, thank you for reviewing my submission. It seems that you think the "draft shows signs of having been generated by a large language model, such as ChatGPT". I can confirm that I used ChatGPT for research and sourcing independent links. But the article was written by me. Are there specific words or certain language that is misaligned? If that is the case, please guide me so I can change it. I'd appreciate your help in identifying exactly what i need to change for the article to be accepted. I have exercised the utmost diligence in writing with neutral tone, not making it promotional, and ensuring that there are several independent citations.

I look forward to your feedback. Thank you. Samaniaa (talk) 22:54, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

If you didn't copy-paste from ChatGPT, it seems like you probably paraphrased it rather closely, because the draft uses the characteristic "ChatGPT-trying-to-write-Wikipedia-pages" style of attributing sentences to media sources when it's not appropriate to do so. In addition, the "media appearances" section is a WP:REFBOMB. We don't need to know about every time the subject was quoted in an article. —pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 23:29, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for this. I see what you mean about attributing sentences to media sources. I will rewrite those pieces.

I also see your point on REFBOMB. This has been amended. I have removed media appearances that were un-noteworthy, and retained only the significant mentions. Can you please advice if this section is fine or do I need to change anything further here?

Additionally, I have tidied up the format, so all citations appear neatly at the end of each paragraph, rather than in-line which disturbed the flow of reading. Samaniaa (talk) 00:32, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

@Pythoncoder, having taken your feedback onboard, I have :

- rewritten the article in line with Wikipedia's guidance

- condensed the media appearances to selected items and removed non-noteworthy ones Samaniaa (talk) 14:21, 4 October 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Samaniaa. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Yoga of Immortals, a page you created, has not been edited in at least five months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 23:04, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Pythoncoder was:

Your draft shows signs of having been generated by a large language model, such as ChatGPT. Their outputs usually have multiple issues that prevent them from meeting our guidelines on writing articles. These include:

• Promotional tone, editorializing and other words to watch
• Vague, generic, and speculative statements extrapolated from similar subjects
• Essay-like writing
• Hallucinations (plausible-sounding, but false information) and non-existent references
• Close paraphrasing
  

Please address these issues. The best way is usually to read reliable sources and summarize them, instead of using a large language model. See our help page on large language models.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Ishan Shivanand and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

—pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 19:28, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Pythoncoder. The user (@Samaniaa) popped into #en-wikipedia-help and confirmed they have re-written the draft without the use of LLM before submitting. If you concur, you could undo the decline. qcne (talk) 20:25, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. Yes, I can confirm @Pythoncoder, following the last conversation, I reviewed the article thoroughly, cut back the media appearances, and re-written it myself. Samaniaa (talk) 20:34, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

Maybe there was some rewriting, but on the whole, the writing is still quite LLM-y. I found plenty of instances of the "tell, don't show" writing style that LLMs use when writing wiki articles:

• Coverage of the book appeared in outlets including Khaleej Times, India Today, DNA India, and News18.
• His participation was confirmed in the official White House readout.
• The book was launched at Yashobhoomi, New Delhi, in August 2025, with coverage in outlets including DNA India, Times of India, and News24Online. Reports noted its multilingual publication...

TL;DR this draft's writing style needs work. —pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 20:38, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by AllWeKnowOfHeaven was:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

 The comment the reviewer left was:

Can you rewrite this to rely less on primary sources?

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit it after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Ishan Shivanand and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

AllWeKnowOfHeaven (talk) 18:05, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

Hello @AllWeKnowOfHeaven,

Thank you for your note. Can you guide me please?

Am I right in understanding that the content is fine, I need to use fewer citation links? Or do I need to do something entirely different. I'd really appreciate your guidance to modify the article so it can be accepted.

Thank you. Samaniaa (talk) 22:07, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

One of the most important things is to look for Wikipedia:Independent sources and to make sure that the page is written neutrally. The linked pages will help you understand what to do. AllWeKnowOfHeaven (talk) 19:05, 5 February 2026 (UTC)