User talk:TippTopp

Greetings. You reworded the following sentence in the introduction of the Allan Savory article:

"He is the originator of holistic management." ^[1][2]

The first reference is of the trademark granted him for 'holistic management.'

The second reference is a Forbes article containing the quote:

"An African-born game ranger/biologist, politician and international consultant, Savory introduced the concept of holistic management as a framework for feeding the world while protecting the ecosystem services that make civilization possible."

With the comment "edited text to reflect the evidence, based on the references provided", you replaced the original with:

"He wrote of 'holistic land management' and obtained a U.S. trademark for the term 'holistic management' .

Both references support the uncontroversial and undisputed claim that Savory is the originator of holistic management. The original sentence stated clearly and succinctly what the man is primarily known for. Either of the two sources would be sufficient to back the claim, but I can cite other sources, using such terms as 'founder,' creator,' 'developed,' 'conceived,' and 'father of.'

Begging your indulgence, would you have a problem with me restoring the original? Danny Sprinkle (talk) 18:38, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Still working on 'sprung from his loins' . . . Danny Sprinkle (talk) 22:11, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for checking with me. My primary concern was that the previous text refies the concept of "holistic management". This is a controversial concept, as the entry exemplifies, and we -- as editors -- shouldn't take sides in the debate. My revision aims to keep the text strictly factual. If you can think of a better way to conveying the facts, without implying that "holistic management" is valid or fallacious, please go ahead. Cheers! TippTopp (talk) 19:27, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

The concept may be controversial but both its friends and enemies agree about what it means and who originated it. The controversy lies in whether it should be put into practice. Simply stating who originated it takes no side. It's his main claim to fame. It will be in his obituary. It's like stating L. Ron Hubbard originated Scientology (his trademark was granted in 1970). C'mon, can't you see fit to let me change it back? Danny Sprinkle (talk) 21:23, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

I see your point. How about "founder of 'Holistic [Land?] Management' and registrant of the US trademark for the term." Please go ahead and revise it as you see fit. You have my blessing. TippTopp (talk) 23:42, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I just reverted to original. Much thanks! Danny Sprinkle (talk) 00:20, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, TT.

Maybe it's the Miss Grundy in me as to grammar. Still, you might consider beginning the 4th para. of your User page as: "Other experts and I may... ". I hope I've have remembered my Strunk and White correctly.

Please feel free to delete this if you like.

BW, Thomasmeeks (talk) 22:56, 28 December 2015 (UTC)