Talk:Gujari

Gojri is classified as Rajasthani Rajasthani is a variety of Hindi so Gojri is classed as part of Hindi languages since Hindi and Urdu are the same language Gorji is same as Hindi/Urdu. Therefore Gojri is a form of Urdu, and the Gujjar people in India are no different then Hindi speaking mohajirs in KArachi (and i'm pretty sure that a Mohajir of Rajput descent would by chance be a gujjar) . Same go's for Marwaris and the people of Thar that speak a dialect of Rajasthani. Fun linguistic riddle! --137.207.17.95 (talk) 22:26, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

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--Amazonien (talk) 05:17, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

What are relations between Gojri and Gujrati.Is there same origin of these two languages or which prakrit was base of these language.--Rasoolpuri (talk) 17:17, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I can try to answer your question but my friend, it is not very clear to me. Can you explain what you mean? Maquahuitl^talk! 11:12, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Gujarati and Gojri are distinct languages. Gojri (which, confusingly is also sometimes called Gujarati, or Gujari) is related to Rajasthani. It is not the same language as Gujarati, the language of the state of Gujarat in India, although Gojri and Gujarati are not completely unrelated (they are probably both in the same subgroup of Indic languages).

There are errors in this article that stem from a confusion between Gojri and Gujarati, and I am going to edit some of these. For example, the article now claims that Gojri is the 26th most spoken language in the world; this is clearly a reference to Gujarati, which has over 60 millions speakers. Rilkas (talk) 06:42, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: That figure you restored is highly inconsistent, even with the infobox figure. 20 million would make it one of the most widely spoken Indo-Aryan languages. Just because something has a source doesn't mean that anything flies. --JorisvS (talk) 11:49, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

And then there is "Gujri language is the mother of Rajasthani languages". Yeah, right. As any linguist would tell you, no modern language can be the proto-language ("the mother") of a group of modern languages. All languages inevitably change, so the proto-language is inevitably different from its modern descendants. Again, just because it is source, does not mean such nonsense can fly. --JorisvS (talk) 11:49, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

I can clean it up a bit based on sources that I can see. But the bigger problem with your edit was that you even deleted the sources. Ajay Mitra Shastri is a well-respected scholar. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

If we want to present a logically coherent picture that our readers can respect, we must deal with conflicted information, which is the real problem here. Deletion of sources is one of the natural consequences of resolving this. Source [2] presents Census results, with only some 43,000 declared speakers. There is considerable conflation with speakers of Gujari declaring themselves "Hindi". If the real number were more like ~20 million, Gujari would be one of the most widely spoken Indo-Aryan languages (seriously?) and the gap with the Census results would be ridiculous. [11] reads rather like WP:BIASED, which suggests they have every motive to bloat their figure. As for the highly unlinguistic claim, what are his methods for coming to it? --JorisvS (talk) 19:39, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

In the 2011 Indian census, there are separate codes for

• 053005, Gujari, which is classified as related to the Khandeshi language, (hence the 053___ mother tongue code)
• 006207, Gojri/Gujjari/Gujar, which is classified as related to the Hindu language, (hence the 006___ mother tongue code)

The wikilink Gojri language redirects to the page on the Gujari language.

According to the 2011 Indian census, there were:

• 1,135,196 people whose mother tongue was Gojri/Gujjari/Gujar in J&K.
• 34,858 people whose mother tongue was Gujari in J&K.

Has Wikipedia got it wrong in thinking that Gujari is the same as Gojri/Gujjari/Gujar? Or does Wikipedia think that the census got it wrong?-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:27, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: I am resident of Jammu and Kashmir, I know almost 10 language including local language of J&K which I can spoke also. Also have some studies on them. I believe Gojri is the language spoken in 1,135,196 people (numbers mentioned by Toddy1 above) . And Gujari is the alternate name of Gojri . Maybe Census got it wrong. Now verified answer can be asked from a linguist who studied these languages thoroughly. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 07:45, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

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