Talk:Haiti

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Add citation to " Duvalier left the country for France in February 1986" [citation needed]

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"For different reasons, the U.S. government, the CNG, the Haitian urban elites, political parties of all tendencies, and large chunks of the Haitian masses have fancied the assumption that Baby Doc’s departure was a clear step on the march to democracy, an immediate and inevitable consequence of the disturbances and massive riots of 1984−85. To be sure, the riots were a necessary factor in the end of the Duvalier dynasty: had the Haitian masses not defied the army and militia with their bare hands during a month of daily encounters in which many unarmed citizens were injured and killed, chances are that Jean-Claude Duvalier would still be ruling the country. But if the riots were necessary for Duvalier to leave, they certainly were not a sufficient condition for him to depart the way he did. It took something else to orchestrate his departure at that particular time, under those specific circumstances, and with a no less specific aftermath. Thus the problem with the dominant version of Duvalier’s downfall is not what it acknowledges but what it leaves out. Two series of events occurred on February 7, 1986: first, the departure of Duvalier; second, the takeover of the state machinery by a group of apparently disparate individuals..." Poetmeansdevin (talk) 22:37, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

 Done For what it's worth, I accessed the book via the Internet Archive and verified the info myself. The edition I read had the relevant text (not what was quoted above, but a different passage mentioning the Feb. 7 date) on page 221. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 21:35, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

And on second thought, neither the passage I read nor the passage you quote (nor, as best I could tell with a quick search, the rest of the source) indicate where he and his family went after leaving Haiti, so I removed the "for France" bit from the article. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 21:45, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

It should be the third Haitian republic, because it had 3 republics the first one was suceeded by the Empire Of Haiti the second one was suceeded by the Duvalier family. Neoogai (talk) 20:29, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi, do you think Emmanuel Vertilaire and Louis Gerald Gilles should have their own wiki pages? Accccepting (talk) 14:25, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

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• What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}):

Found a source for the citation needed under Unification of Hispaniola - In Motion: The African-American Migration Experience.

• Why it should be changed:

Citation needed = bad

• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

Quote to show it's relevant: "In March 1861, Holly sailed to Haiti with 111 migrants from Connecticut and Canada. During the course of the year, several other journeys brought 800 more to the island. Most were unprepared for life in a different environment. [...] The majority of the Americans returned home, but others kept on arriving." It's part of the New York Public Library, has a list of scholars on the about page, and is included in the Library of Congress so I figure it's reliable.

50.47.138.39 (talk) 02:59, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.

While the source you gave is probably reliable for the claims you quoted directly, it only discusses about 800 Americans who emigrated to Haiti in 1861, not the over 6,000 who began emigrating starting in 1824. While it's probably true that many returned to America over the course of that time due to harsh conditions, we can't combine two sources together like that and make our own judgements about what really happened.

Relatedly, the citation for the previous sentence in that paragraph is extremely sketchy. It appears to be a running conversation on a university listserver, which means it is self-published (not subject to any editorial review), so I am going to go ahead and tag that one as better citation needed. Xan747 (talk) 22:34, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

I am asking yet again for the sentance of "and with no elected officials remaining, Haiti has been described as a failed state." to be removed.

The idea that a country is a "failed state" is very controversial no matter the situation in which a country finds itself. It is a disputed word that many academics argue over the true meaning behind it (see Failed state -Criticisms of the concept on Wikipedia). 2A02:2F00:3307:E000:AC20:3B50:20FA:7A6D (talk) 08:03, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

You're more or less ignoring what Failed state § Criticisms of the concept actually says, and just gesturing to there being a section (that's probably too long). First major critique is that it's applied overbroadly to struggling states in different situations. Not sure why that matters much here, since we're told precisely why Haiti would be described in such terms. The second critique (set phrase that essentially carries water for imperialism and neo-colonialism) I am far more sympathetic to though.

I think the suggestion of just removing that line is clearly obfuscatory in effect, not demystifying, and serves the end of "I don't like how it sounds" more than any other, but maybe one could take a cue from one critique of the concept cited in the other article and opt for more specific language, though it would have to be cited also. Remsense 🌈 论 08:11, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

The Spanish government fabricated claims that Haiti was preparing to invade Santo Domingo and reconquer the island as a whole, and, on 13 May 1864, Spain declared war on Haiti. The 25,000-strong Spanish army crossed the border from La Vega in Santo Domingo to Port-au-Prince in Haiti, where they defeated Nicholas Geffrard's smaller, 9,000-strong Haitian army; however, the Spanish losses of 3,162 men surpassed the Haitian losses of 2,883 men. The Haitian army retreated from its capital to Cap-Haitien, where Oreste Soulouque took command of the remaining forces. Soulouque did nothing as the Spanish occupied Port-au-Prince, and, on 20 August 1864, the Spanish defeated Soulouque's army at Cap-Haitien, this time wiping out the remaining 7,158 Haitian troops with just 775 losses. The Spanish proceeded to occupy Cap-Haitien, and, on 25 August, the United Kingdom - Haiti's ally - gave the Spanish permission to annex the occupied country. The Spanish thus restored their control over Hispaniola, although the Spanish were unable to spread slavery to the island, whose former countries had already abolished the practice. 2600:4809:9830:1900:6167:E1A5:68E9:28CD (talk) 02:32, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

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Winyfredson (talk) 20:59, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

The roots of Haiti’s wealth gap run deep. After gaining independence in 1804, the new nation was forced to pay a massive “independence debt” to France — a sum equivalent to billions of dollars today. This financial burden crippled Haiti’s economy for more than a century, draining resources that could have been used for education, infrastructure, and development.

Over time, this legacy evolved into a system where wealth and power became concentrated in the hands of a small elite — often tied to foreign trade, import businesses, and political influence — while the majority of the population faced poverty and limited access to opportunity.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Also, you need to indicate where added text would be placed in the article. LizardJr8 (talk) 21:37, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 3 September 2025 and 12 December 2025. Further details are available on the course page. Peer reviewers: Shelly524.

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In the ‘energy’ section, the word ‘be’ is missing when describing the creation of a 24 hour energy scheme in Port-Au-Prince Casper Berney (talk) 20:51, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

 Done IsCat (talk) 21:30, 20 December 2025 (UTC)