Talk:Hudson Volcano

From what I understand, sulfur dioxide is a gas and as such can not be an aerosol. If this is true, the phrase "sulfur dioxide and other aerosols" suggests the wrong thing. 21:31, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Not only is it a gas; I'm not sure it is particularly soluble in water, nor can it turn into sulphuric acid without a lot of laboratory work. (No that that error was made in this article) Furthermore it is unwise to speculate on the properties of any chemical affect on the ozone after a volcanic eruption until we know more about the process. (I gather an increase in the water content during the SSW (that I believe always occur with eruptions) merely adds to the scarcity of ozone at the poles in the season. Measurement was extremely suspect at that time and certainly any comparison with data until the 1983 satellite data fiasco was resolved can not be accepted.

Weatherlawyer (talk) 20:41, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Who was the Hudson for which the volcano was named? --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:45, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Francisco Hudson.. Dentren | ^Talk 15:47, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

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I've compiled sources that can be used to write an article on the 1991 eruption[https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/10106049209354367 ], but in this article I've minimized the coverage as the article is about the volcano in general not just its historic eruptions. And the H1 eruption in the Holocene probably was far more significant than the 1991 one, anyway. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 13:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Going to ask for second opinions on this POV balance tomorrow. JoJo Eumerus mobile (main talk) 21:13, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Given that this article is about the volcano in general and that it has 4,000+ words of readable prose I would suggest creating a separate article for the 1991 eruption. I also think expanding the content about the 1991 eruption in this article might meet WP:UNDUE since there have been more significant eruptions at Mount Hudson earlier in the Holocene. Volcanoguy 20:53, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Agree with Volcanoguy. ceranthor 21:00, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

"CARLOS ASCHERO; DAMIAN BOZZUTO; MARÍA TERESA CIVALERO; MARIANA DE NIGRIS; NATALIA FERNÁNDEZ; NICOLAS MAVEROFF; MARIANA SACCHI Se nos viene la noche. el volcán Hudson y su influencia en el NO de Santa Cruz: integrando perspectivas arqueológicas. Arqueología de la Patagonia: el pasado en las arenas. Lugar: Puerto Madryn; Año: 2019; p. 239 - 249" is accessible via ResearchGate. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:26, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

"Cevo C., J. (1). MANIFESTACIONES VOLCANICAS EN AYSEN (CHILE) ENTRE 1971 Y 1973. Revista Geográfica De América Central, 1(1), 51-74. Recuperado a partir de https://www.revistas.una.ac.cr/index.php/geografica/article/view/2053" may be useful to describe an outdated view on how the volcano looks. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:26, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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Passed. Bruxton (talk) 15:09, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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I am happy to review this article. I do enjoy articles on Geography. Bruxton (talk) 21:16, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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Lead Y all of the elements of the lead are repeated and cited in the article. Y One question regarding years. Some years use this format "7,750 BP" and some in the body use "7750 BP". It is inconsistent with others as well. Wondering if it is a mistake? Aye, it's a mistake, standardized. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC) Spelling/other Y Lead "neighbouring" are we using British English? Y Geography and geomorphology "Another name is Cerro de los Ventisqueros" perhaps "another name for the volcano"? Y Geography and geomorphology - "Mount Hudson lies in Andes of southern Chile: Missing "the"? Y Geography and geomorphology - "Farther south is the 350 kilometres (220 mi) long" "how about "farther south there is a" Y Geography and geomorphology "From north to south they are the" consider a comma after "south," I don't think that's needed. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC) Y Geography and geomorphology "The Huemules Glacier is the largest glacier of Mount Hudson, being 11 kilometres (6.8 mi) long," instead of "being" consider "at"? I think "being" is fine here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC) Y Geography and geomorphology More British spelling "kilometres" consider placing the British english notice Y Geography and geomorphology Does "well defined". need a hyphen? Y Geography and geomorphology "clockwise from north to south" consider a comma "south," I don't think that's necessary here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC) Y Geography and geomorphology Should river be capitalized in this context? "Huemules river" it occurs twice in the paragraph. Capitalized Huemules River. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC) Y Geography and geomorphology "but by 1979 had built back up again" consider "it had built up again" Y Geology "made up by intrusive rocks" perhaps "made up of"? Y Geology "except for the AVZ, where the Antarctic Plate subducts instead" is "instead needed? Not sure, so removed it. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC) Y Composition and magma plumbing system "Rocks contain only few" Should we add "a" before few? Y Composition and magma plumbing system "The cone lavas includie MORB" misspelling of "include" Y Holocene "Pre-caldera outcrops are rate and consist of breccias formed by hyaloclastite" Did you want the word "rate" there? Y Holocene "northeastern and southern side of the caldera" Should it be "sides"? Y Holocene "occurred 8010 BC" Should we add "in" 8010? Y H0 eruption: 17,300-17,440 BP "and like the 1991 AD eruption includes two distinct chemistries" should it be "it included" Y Impact on Tierra del Fuego "Impact on human populations in Tierra del Fuego" Should we precede the sentence with the word "The"? No, in headers I don't think we need it. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC) Y Impact on Tierra del Fuego "Vertebrates were decimated and large mammals wiped out" should be "were" wiped out. I dunno, I think the previous "were" carries this sentence. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC) Y Impact on Tierra del Fuego "relied on coastal foodsources" food sources" should be two words Y H2 eruption: 4200 BP "Unlike the H1 and H3 eruption" should be "eruptions" Y H3 eruption: 1991 AD "On August 12, a Plinian eruption formed a 800 metres" is there a mistake before 800 meters? No, why? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC) Y H3 eruption: 1991 AD "caldera ice and flowed down the Huemules river" Capitalize "River" Y H3 eruption: 1991 AD "and people reported problems with breating and eyesight" spelling of "breathing" Y Intercontinental spread of ash "arriving there in December,[155] ice cores of East Antarctica" should it be "in" ice cores? Y Intercontinental spread of ash "The 1991 eruption of Hudson took place in the same year with the 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo." should it be "Same year as the 1991"? Y Other historical activity "On the morning of August 12 1971" might follow 1971 with a comma? Y Other historical activity Other historical activity "Huemules river" capitalize River - occurs twice in the paragraph Y Hazards "However, as of 2023 the municipal planning of the municipalities on the Chilean side close to the volcano largely ignore volcanic hazards." should it be "ignores"? Done except as commented. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC) Images Y only one image but it is licensed. It is clear and interesting.

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Y Earwig 8.8% only alerts to long titles.

Y Geography and geomorphology - it is a difficult check for me because of the language and need to machine translate the foreign language sources. The citations I could check in this section were accurate.

I've seen a recommendation to use this translator, as it's less likely to wank up the syntax than Google Translate. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:55, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Y Geology "The crust under the volcano is about 30 kilometres (19 mi) thick" Not finding this in the citation #41. Other sources that I spot checked are good.

Hudson volcano has developed on *30-km-thick crust Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:40, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Y Composition and magma plumbing system citations check out

Y Climate and vegetation citations check out

Y Eruption history - spot checked - citations check out

Y Holocene - spot checked -citations check out

Y Significant eruptions and recent activity - spot checked -citations check out

Y H0 eruption: 17,300-17,440 BP - spot checked - citations check out

Y H1 eruption: 7750 BP - spot checked - citations check out

Y Impact on Tierra del Fuego - spot checked - citations check out

Y H2 eruption: 4200 BP Is the first sentence is WP:OVERCITEed? Also should we follow MOS:SPELL09? If so the number 6 should be "six"? I have not checked the rest of the article for 0-9 numbers which are not spelled.

I don't remember why all these citations, but the information in the sentence comes from different sources. I've spelled out six there. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:40, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Y H3 eruption: 1991 AD - spot checked - citations check out

Y Intercontinental spread of ash - spot checked - citations check out

Y Other historical activity - spot checked - citations check out

Y Hazards - spot checked - citations check out

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@Jo-Jo Eumerus:, I am sure the article took an enormous amount of time. It is comprehensive and I have not been able to access certain references but I can AGF. You have brought it from this 678 word article to a 4445 word article. You have an impressive body of work. I think we can wrap this up when you have a look at my final concerns. Bruxton (talk) 01:09, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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How is it pronounced? Like the river in New York? Marnanel (talk) 10:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

No idea, sorry. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

This source may be useful if it gets published.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

This source might be incorporated here, but I ran into a major issue with this paragraph: Regarding the older terrestrial sites on the Atlantic coast of Tierra del Fuego (Salemme et al. 2007a; Santiago 2013), Prieto and collaborators found it significant that they contain lithic repertoires that differ from those before the H1 eruption at Túnel I and Imiwaia I. Again, this is not surprising from an organizational perspective, particularly with small samples (see also Zangrando et al. 2018). Most researchers agree that the older maritime occupations at Túnel I do not present signs of incipient adaptation to the sea but instead appear to be fully adapted (Orquera et al. 2011: 65). I don't get what this is trying to say especially with respect to "organizational perspective", and the fact that Zangrando reference is wrong doesn't help. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)