Talk:Japan Cup

Article commentary

• Lead looks good as is.
• The table in the qualification section doesn't cite any sources.
  • Apologies, the idea was the references in the "For example" sentence just before the table were the sources. I've moved them around here to make that clearer: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Japan_Cup&diff=prev&oldid=1326420321
• Is it usual for the race history to be after the qualification section? If not I would move it up.
  • It looks like most of the other longer pages do it your way, so I've moved it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Japan_Cup&diff=prev&oldid=1326421258
• leaving Japan horses should be changed to leaving Japanese horses or leaving Japan's horses Done.
• the Japanese horses were locally considered very strong the wording here sounds a little clunky around the word "locally" I see what you mean. I've changed this to "On the other hand, in Japan the horses representing the country were viewed more favourably, featuring..."
• ... recent Autumn Tenno Sho Two things... Autumn should not be capitalized, and the accents should be put on the name "Tennō Shō" Good spot! Fixed.
• the country's best performance clarify that this refers to Japan. Done
• When writing about the Japan Cup's events, historian Ryoji Motomura noted the depth of the initial disappointment before the quote, I would suggest adding "saying in translation that"... to account for the language barrier. Additionally, similar to the above the accent should be put on the ō in "Ryōji". Done
• I feel like the missing jockeys case could be covered a little more, and would not be considered WP:UNDUE because it is related to the subject of the article.
  • Unfortunately, as much as I'd love to expand this point (it was easily the strangest article I came across when researching all of this!) there genuinely doesn't seem to be anything else available on it! While Medicine Hat News appears to be reliable in my eyes, the first race being relatively niche at the time combined with the incident being resolved (presumably, considering both jockeys went on to race for several other years) relatively quickly means I'm struggling to find this covered anywhere else...
    • As I write up my responses, it occurs to me that, since I would preferably like to keep this info somewhere here if duly possible, this might be worth including as a line in the "Purse and Qualification" section instead? The original author of the column speculates heavily that the most likely explanation of their disappearance was them going off on an expensive night out on the town due to how much money even the jockeys who ended up near-last were awarded.
• after a successful European season should be changed to "successful season in Europe" or something similar Done
• At the time, Stanerra's victory was viewed as an example[...] specify in the text who viewed it as such
• revitalising interest in the event in America Does this refer to the US, Canada, or the Americas in general? I'd clarify. United States, I've clarified this now.
• Dettori had to wait several years to secure his second Japan Cup victory when was his next Japan Cup win? Also, were there any remarks from Dettori about this?
  • Unfortunately, when re-reading the news article I linked here I realised I'd misread this earlier. Detorri was scheduled to race on another horse in the race called Mons, not Pilsudki. The dangers of printing off news articles with low quality ink I suppose :/ . I've edited the paragraph to accomodate this alongside a quote from Dettori, but if you think this is veering into UNDUE I'm happy to take it out.
• Japanese contingents performance add an apostrophe: contingent's Done
• In general, there are several places throughout the history section where a horse's nationality is not immediately clear from the text. For instance, In 2000, T.M. Opera O entered [...] I understand you have it wikilinked, but still I think it would be better to also indicate the horse's nationality in addition to the wikilink.
  • That's fair. I've not started on this yet, but shortly I'll go through the page again and add more of their nationalities.
• The 2010 edition ended controversially I'm not sure why or how, but the phrasing here seems off. Rephrase if you can. Expanded to "The 2010 edition ended with a controversial disqualification."
• What was the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on the tournament?
  • Surprisingly, not as much as you might think for the race itself - the JRA actually managed to host every race in the year like normal, just behind closed doors. If you ignore the reduced crowd size it seems to have been a oddly 'normal' race. Still, it's definitely worth mentioning though i think; I've added a sentence. (Personally in terms of international participation I would say it certainly didn't help with trainers from abroad not wanting to travel over for the event, but entries were already so low at this point there wasn't much there for to Covid to actually impact)
• Despite only recently switching to racing on turf tracks, what was raced on before? Dirt tracks, I've added a line.
• The issues surrounding horses traveling from abroad have been noted as a problem since the early years of the Japan Cup It seems off that only one case of this (that of Horlicks) is cited in the article. Are there any other cases of this happening that may be worth discussing? That's fair - earlier winner Stannera also handled the flight over quite badly from what I can tell. I've added a reference to this next to Horlick's mirror line.
• No issues with the records and winners sections. Let me know when you've addressed the issues I raised and I'll then do a source spot check.

Thank you for the speedy review Gommeh! It'll be tomorrow when I start making your suggested edits, but I think most of these are good points and should be something I can take care of.

For the source check afterwards, since there's a fair few newspapers cited here please feel free to ping me for copies if needed. RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 13:09, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Gommeh, many thanks for your suggestions. I've addressed or responded to all your comments above in some form or other now, with the exception of making the nationalities of the horses more clear - I'll be tackling that tomorrow! RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 00:20, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Got it - let me know when this is done. Gommeh 📖   🎮 14:30, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

@Gommeh - I've had a stab at this now here, each horse should now either be directly labelled with their nationality or inferable from the surrounding sentence(s): https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Japan_Cup&diff=prev&oldid=1326589730 . Let me know if this looks alright to you - most of the horses from the 2000 section onwards are Japanese, so there wasn't too much I could do in variation. RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 20:31, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Infobox

Most of the changes discussed previously have been implemented (save the nationalities), so I'll give the infobox a look through.

• in the infobox, this is the first time I've seen the dates of the previous and next tournaments at the top, before the picture(s). I see this is part of the {{Infobox horseraces}} template though. Just a stylistic choice that I find rather odd.
• Why are there two images in the infobox? This is the first time I've seen that. I would suggest - but am not requiring as part of GA - that one of them be moved to the body.

Gommeh 📖   🎮 14:35, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Truth be told most of the infobox is untouched from before I started editing this page, so the twin images have been there for a while... There seems to be a mix for the approach for horse races on the website - if I had to speculate, the original author was following the example of the American Triple Crown races, which use the same logo->photo format. I'll check further if there's any other horseraces articles like this, but I suspect they're the exception based on my initial look around

As for the dates, funnily enough this was something I'd written down to investigate further once my reviews were finished; the dates-as-titles doesn't look great to me either (and actually used to be even worse, since they used to automatically hyperlink to whatever text you put, whether it existed or not). I'd greatly prefer to reformat the infobox format to have the dates just as attributes of the first part of the box, but it'd probably require a bit of poking around to make sure there's no objections due to the amount of pages it's on. I can't imagine there'd be too much pushback mind. RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 20:28, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

All my concerns have been addressed. Happy to pass this. Gommeh 📖   🎮 12:33, 11 December 2025 (UTC)