Talk:List of festivals in Asia

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. There is no consensus to move after numerous relists and significant discussion. I should note that typing "Double Fifth Festival" into Britannica only comes back with Dragon Boat Festival. (closed by non-admin page mover) ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:35, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

• Double Fifth Festival (disambiguation) → Double Fifth FestivalDouble Fifth Festival
• Double Seventh Festival (disambiguation) → Double Seventh FestivalDouble Seventh Festival

– No reason why "(disambiguation)" is needed in the title of the redirect pages, after the redirect target of the target page changed into disambiguation page to remove geographical bias. C933103 (talk) 14:40, 29 June 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 11:22, 7 July 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 11:50, 7 July 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. CoconutOctopus talk 12:08, 14 July 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 09:52, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

No opinion as yet on the proposed moves, but the OP is perhaps being somewhat less than fully transparent in not mentioning that they had changed the target of the redirects at the proposed new names shortly prior to or at the same time as making this requested move. older ≠ wiser 16:35, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I specifically mentioned "after the redirect target of the target page changed into disambiguation page to remove geographical bias", apology if that wasn't clear enough C933103 (talk) 22:42, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I contested these at technical move requests (permalink). As an involved party, I hesitate to, as Bkonrad (older ≠ wiser) suggested, revert the nominator's retargeting of the base page redirects. I agree that nom should self-revert, as RM participants need to see what the previous WP:PRIMARYREDIRECTs were to properly evaluate statistics including pageviews and clickthrough data. Furthermore, nom should avoid misleading the regulars who clean up WP:MALPLACED.

Despite my initial contesting at technical move requests, I will not oppose the move if provided enough evidence that "Double nth Festival" does commonly refer to multiple holidays. At this point, I'm not convinced given the divergent histories and customs in romanization and translation [into English] of at least three totally different languages—none of which even share a family—and whose dominant cultures have interacted with the English-speaking world in totally different ways. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 23:54, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I have reverted the pages to facilitate the discussion.

As example, you can see on how it's used for Double Fifth Festival in Japan, and the article also explain how the days of these festivals in general are transmitted across region despite nowadays they are totally different. And for Chinese and for Korea. C933103 (talk) 00:21, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

(three weeks later) Thank you. Since this RM is still open, let's take a closer look at usage of "Double Fifth" by the sources in the order provided:

• 2018 J Select magazine article, "The Changing Culture of Japan's Double Fifth Festival: from Tango no Sekku to Kodomo no Hi" (bold mine): The Chinese celebration of the double fifth is called the Duanwu festival
• undated study guides or educational material made by the BBC: The Dragon Boat Festival, also called the Double Fifth Festival, falls on the fifth... (bold original)
• c. 2006 Korean Heritage Service article: Most of all, the "Double Fifth Day" was closely connected with farming...After completing the preparations for one year of farming, a commemorative service was held...This was called "Danoje," meaning the Double Fifth Festival.

I'm not contesting that these festivals have some common origin, were transmitted across the regions, and have since become distinct. I am essentially asking if "Double nth" is ambiguous because if we move the disambiguations to the base page names, that's the implication. I do not consider the above evidence to be strong because the main usage in J Select is the headline, the BBC study guide has it as a synonym of the Chinese holiday, and the KHS phrase could be interpreted as a literal translation instead of an actual synonym. At this point, I do not know (neutral). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 22:47, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

@Rotideypoc41352: To be more clear I am not saying the festivals themselves have anything in common. Rather, especially in Double Fifth's situation, they are almost totally distinct, and the only thing in common is "Dano" in Korean and "Tango"(-no-sekku) in Japanese and "Duanwu" in Japanese are written using same Han character word of 端午 across all these languages, and refer to the same date on the calendar on Day 5 of Month 5 despite calendar of each countries differ. And it is this same date of Day 5 on Month 5 that lead to the possible translation to Double Fifth Festival in English. Therefore they are totally separate and distinct and thus I believe "Double Fifth Festival" should be a disambiguation page that tell users it might refer to different festival in different culture, instead of default redirecting to one particular festival in one specific culture in the region. C933103 (talk) 08:26, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Asia and WikiProject Festivals have been notified of this discussion. CNC (talk) 20:02, 6 July 2025 (UTC)