Talk:Man bites dog

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The result of the move request was: consensus to move both pages as proposed, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 08:45, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

• Man bites dog (journalism) → Man bites dog
• Man bites dog → Man Bites Dog

– WP:DIFFCAPS / all other entries on the disambiguation page are uppercase. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 16:04, 28 November 2019 (UTC) —Relisted. PI Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 16:30, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Relist note: reopened and relisted as the result of a request on my talk page. Members of WikiProject Journalism have been notified of this request. PI Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 16:45, 10 December 2019 (UTC) 17:32, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - unlike the situations for when the only usage has a specific capitalization and editors argue that a reader writing that specific way can only mean they are searching for that title, the same cannot be said for all lowercase. That's just how people search. This helps no one other than you for some reason (and it's a bit annoying that I'll need to copy/paste my same argument to all nominations now). --Gonnym (talk) 23:45, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
• Definitely support this one, not per nom but per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. There's pretty much no question about this one. Hell, I was familiar with this idea by junior high school, and had never heard of a single other thing listed on that disambiguation page (though the 1992 one post-dates my school days).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  17:30, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
• Weak support although the film and company gets more views (4,087) than the journalism (1,358) [] this is indeed the only use of the lower case. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:12, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
• Support as primary topic per SMcCandlish. Wug·a·po·des​ 03:23, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
• Support. Meaning of the phrase. Hyperbolick (talk) 20:51, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose, given the page view stats presented by Crouch, Swale, the journalism usage is not the primary topic. The fact that the film uses title case is of little relevance since users can be expected to use all lowercase when searching for said title. --В²C ☎ 18:12, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
• Support per nom. The journalism phrase is the origin of all the various proper title uses. -- Netoholic @ 18:48, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
• As I noted at User talk:Paine Ellsworth#Man bites dog - please reopen/relist:

The argument that the journalism is the only topic is based on policy (WP:PRECISE) since all the other uses are called "Man Bites Dog", this is the only topic called "Man bites dog" so it unambiguously defines the topic and distinguishes it from others. So to quote you're words at Talk:Unlikely#Requested move 16 September 2018 "the one and only topic with that name". I agree however that SMALLDETAILS works less well when the more popular or important topic is at a harder to type title, see Talk:George Puscas (sports writer)#Requested move 1 December 2019 for example, but the guideline for it is "small details are usually sufficient to distinguish topics". As far as BUTIDONTKNOWABOUTIT goes I think that also supports the move since it asks what the average person is likely to know rather than those biased based on location or interest, this is also compliant with the "precise enough to be understood by most people" for the energy example in PRECISE. As far as PT#1 goes its probably not primary topic many readers probably wouldn't capitalize even when looking for proper nouns by by PT#2 its the only topic by this name and is likely primary by that criteria even if we disregard DIFFCAPS.". Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:58, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose: The current name is a phrase, not a title. The fact that it is the only use without title case is irrelevant. It is the general use of the phrase, while the other articles are specific uses. Changing it to title case would make it inconsistent with other articles in WP. Websurfer2 (talk) 19:38, 10 December 2019 (UTC) Websurfer2 (talk) 22:23, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

  @Websurfer2: I think you have misunderstood what's being proposed here, the proposal is to move the phrase to "Man bites dog" (lower case) and to move the disambiguation to Man Bites Dog, the phrase is not being moved to "Man Bites Dog"! This is normal and common, see WP:DIFFCAPS and the example of Friendly fire (an article about the military meaning) and Friendly Fire (a DAB page). Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:45, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

  @Crouch, Swale: Thanks for clarifying. I strike my previous comment. Websurfer2 (talk) 22:23, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

• Support: I am fine with (1) rename "Man bites dog (journalism)" to "Man bites dog", (2) rename "Man bites dog" DAB page to "Man Bites Dog", and (3) add at the top of this article a "For other uses" link to the DAB page. Additional "For other uses" links could also be added for the film and the company if they are expected to be common search targets. This is consistent with other articles. Websurfer2 (talk) 22:23, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
• Support. This looks like the clear primary topic. Nohomersryan (talk) 00:44, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
• Support per nom and original close. Place a hatnote pointing directly to the 2 "Man Bites Dog" articles for anyone searching without a shift key. Station1 (talk) 02:08, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

  The company only gets a few views, as of my !vote of the 4th the views [] show 4,018 for the film, 1,373 for the journalism but only 38 for the company, per WP:1HAT I think we only need a direct hatnote to the film. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:23, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

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