Talk:My Antonio

The thirteen girl is Lynette Chico a well-known model and business woman in Puerto Rico. She was kicked off because she slapped a producer (reasons why she did that are still unknown).Before the show aired she was talking about the show to the press in Puerto Rico and a lot of fans were expecting to see her, she never said anything about the incident, her fans are still waiting for an explanation of what really happened. There is a picture of her in The site "poptower":^[1] with the name of Nathalie Du mortier, but Nathalie and Lynette are not the same person, Nathalie was the girl that got kicked off because Antonio didn't like her feet and hands.

http://www.wapa.tv/foros/2_1717_0.html

http://www.primerahora.com/entretenimiento/columna/millie-cangiano/columnas/lynettechicotieneunamor-321537/

http://vh1access.blogspot.com/2009/08/my-antonio-chick-slaps-producer.html

The cast is listed in order of elimination, per convention of other reality television shows. Please discuss here before changing. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 23:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

It is repetitive to list the elimination order as is appears immediately below in the 'Episode Progress' section. It is also a "cast section" and elimination order has more to do with the progress and content of the show than the cast's identities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PallyP (talk • contribs) 23:42, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

There is bound to be some repetition, given that the episode progress section is inaccessible to the colorblind. This is the convention used almost all other VH1 Celebreality shows. A wider discussion should be started before you start engaging in an edit war. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 00:23, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

My intention was not to "engage in an edit war." I made the page more accurate and appropriately organized. Even the colorblind can see the order of elimination in the Episode Progress Section of the page- It clearly says (IN CAPS) who the winner is and the cast's names are listed in the order that they were eliminated in. The priority when adding information to the page should be accuracy (as in the case of the genres of the show) and clear organization (as in the case of adding episode progress information to a section about castmembers when that information really should be in the episode progress section) rather than trying to conform it to a mold for all reality shows on VH1. To be honest, this show was pretty different from several of the VH1 celebreality shows- probably because it is from a different production company (Ish Entertainment) than many of the others (which are often from 51 Minds). If the show was trying to do something slightly new by being a mixture of "Reality" and "Soap Opera" I don't think it is fair to the show to deny that just to fit it to a mold of other reality shows.

I disagree that this show should be given special treatment. It clearly follows the format of other reality shows (e.g., The Bachelor). Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 03:20, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

It follows the format somewhat, but the content is different from other reality shows- including The Bachelor. Did you watch the show? —Preceding unsigned comment added by PallyP (talk • contribs) 05:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I watched the show. I would hope the content is different, or it would have been called The Bachelor, and there probably would have been a lawsuit. The point is that the format is the same. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 06:33, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

And, talk about redundancy, putting the entire cast as "starring" in the infobox is completely unnecessary. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 20:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

The genre for this show is Reality television, not Soap opera. Please discuss here before changing. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 23:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

According to several websites (including the two listed below) the show is a reality competition soap opera:

http://antonioneedsyourlove.com/

(see the right column next to the photo of Antonio)

and

http://www.vh1.com/shows/my_antonio/series.jhtml

(see the "About My Antonio" section).

It is also classified on other websites as reality and soap opera. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PallyP (talk • contribs) 23:40, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

From the VH1 webpage to which you linked: "Welcome to My Antonio, a reality-dating show that will find the one woman who can ...". It does not list the genre as Soap opera. Later in that section, it states that "The story unfolds in a season long narrative arc akin to a nighttime soap opera", however "akin to" does not mean "is". Thank you for the link. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 00:20, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

What is your response to the first listed reference which is endorsed by the production company (notice the "Ish Entertainment" logo) and was established by the casting company (Doron Ofir Casting) for the casting of the show? (Notice the copyright at the bottom of page). Even if you disagree that "akin" and "is" are different (from a SECOND source)- it is clearly stated on this page (which I believe is an authoritative source because it is from the makers of the show) that the show is to be a "reality competition soap opera". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.222.170 (talk) 02:28, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

See the definition of Soap opera. It does not appear to be dramatic fiction. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 03:18, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I disagree with your opinion. I think the people producing the show should be the authority- why is your opinion more valid than theirs? For all we know- some, if not all, was dramatic fiction. Do you know something about the show that the producers don't?

I disagree that the producers get to decide the genre. The show conforms to a genre, which was correctly classified by VH1. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 06:34, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually, VH1 presents it as both reality and soap opera on several occasions. Besides the Ish Entertainment logo on the first website I posted, VH1's logo is ALSO there, endorsing the comment that the show a "reality competition soap opera."

In addition to that site, however, here is another one- DIRECTLY from VH1- that presents the show saying that "'My Antonio' is a real-life soap opera." Check it out for yourself:

http://www.vh1.com/press/series/myantonio_show.jhtml (See the paragraph under the heading "SHOW".)

So, yes, VH1 correctly classified it- but as BOTH reality AND soap opera. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PallyP (talk • contribs) 19:33, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Then the genre is Docu-soap? The soap opera genre is entirely fiction, the reality television genre is staged reality. I believe reality television is the correct genre. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 19:53, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

According to Merriam-Webster's dictionary- I visited www.m-w.com- the definition of a soap opera is: "1 a : a serial drama performed originally on a daytime radio or television program and chiefly characterized by tangled interpersonal situations and melodramatic or sentimental treatment b : a series of real-life events resembling a soap opera 2 : the melodrama and sentimentality characteristic of a soap opera <even cops need a little soap opera in their lives — Joseph Wambaugh>; also : something (as a novel) having such qualities"

Nowhere does it mention that a soap opera must be entirely fiction. What makes it soap opera is the tangled situations and melodrama. Again, unless you were apart of the making of this show I think it is impossible for you to say what is fiction and what is not, and regardless, it is possible for it to be classified as soap opera according to the dictionary definition of the term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PallyP (talk • contribs) 20:39, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I still disagree. Until someone else weighs in with an opinion, it's time to go back to discussing which colour to paint the bikeshed. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 21:35, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

So far I have presented several people's opinions and sources- VH1's, the Producer's of the show, Webster's dictionary- and all you have presented (repeatedly) is your opinion. What makes your opinion more valid than ALL of these sources? —Preceding unsigned comment added by PallyP (talk • contribs)

Response to Third Opinion Request:

Disclaimers: I am responding to a third opinion request made at WP:3O. I have made no previous edits on My Antonio and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process (FAQ) is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes. Third opinions are not tiebreakers and should not be "counted" in determining whether or not consensus has been reached. My personal standards for issuing third opinions can be viewed here.

Opinion: This question is best decided by remembering that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia for use by ordinary folks, not fans or enthusiasts. What the makers of a show call it may or may not be significant in the body of an article, but when applying labels as categories in infoboxes, the label must mean something to, and not mislead, the average person. "Soap opera" is misleading, since "soap opera" is a term of generally-accepted meaning, a fictionalized, usually daytime drama, when used as a category (as opposed to being used as a description). Moreover, the soap opera label links to the Soap opera WP article which does not substantially discuss reality shows (though there is a reference to a couple of them in the last sentence of the India section), thus becoming even more misleading. I would suggest that if PallyP strongly feels that "Soap opera" ought to be included here, that he or she would probably be best served by first attempting to add a reality show section to the Soap opera article and then, if successful, coming back here to insert a "Soap opera" label that links directly to that section.

What's next: Once you've considered this opinion click here to see what happens next.—TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 21:48, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the WP:3O. I will remove Soap opera from the infobox. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 21:53, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Please note the disclaimers, above: A Third Opinion is not a judgment, nor can it be "counted" towards determining consensus. It is up to you and PallyP to either come to consensus, or obtain other users input through an RfC or other process. Regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 21:58, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I understand that it isn't a judgment, but as it stands right now PallyP is the only one arguing for its inclusion. Thanks again. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 22:18, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I watched 'My Antonio' and agree that it was not strictly a reality show and that it was also part soap opera because it did have a tangled story line, especially with the antonio-tully plotline and the mother returning and the christi backstabbing. I agree with PallyP that both genres should be listed for the show. If anything, I also agree with TransporterMan that PallyP can add another section in the soap opera listing but I think that either way the soap opera genre should stay for the show as long as the reality genre is also listed. --m10pow 23:46, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. I see this is your first edit, interesting that it happened to be so timely. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 00:09, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for welcoming me. I'm happy I could help with the dispute. Wikipedia is kind of tricky but I'm learning my way. What do you mean timely? --m10pow 01:30, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Because of the allplot and fansite tags on the page, and the need for production and respionse sections requested at the top of this talk page. --Stfg (talk) 15:05, 24 August 2012 (UTC)