Talk:Nelson Business College

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The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Narutolovehinata5 (talk) 05:43, 16 April 2026 (UTC)

• ... that Nelson Business College was located in a temple for Odd Fellows?

• • ALT1: ... that Nelson Business College had 139 male students and 610 female students in 1917? Source: https://www.lostcolleges.com/368-nelson-business-college
  • ALT2: ... that Nelson Business College was created because the founder thought existing colleges focused too much on theory? Source: https://www.lostcolleges.com/368-nelson-business-college
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Roy Waldo Miner

ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 15:30, 4 April 2026 (UTC).

• Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:22, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

Overall: Looks good. Nice work. Preference for either ALT0 or ALT2. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:27, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

• @ArtemisiaGentileschiFan and BeanieFan11: A few issues with this article: (1) There appears to be some close paraphrasing that needs to be addressed (see comparison). (2) Can you comment on the reliability of LostColleges.com, which this article relies on heavily? It is clearly a self-published source. The author, Paul Batesel, appears to have a PhD in English and to have authored books about baseball, so he would not appear to qualify under WP:EXPERTSPS for a website on defunct colleges. (3) The only section is a "History" section; does this meet the "reasonably complete" requirement of presentability per WP:DYKCOMPLETE? Perhaps it would be better without a section header. Thanks. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:04, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

  @Dclemens1971: Regarding the close paraphrasing, the only issues I see are the phrases included Business Penmanship, Mercantile Law, Banking and Business Transactions, Bookkeeping, Correspondence, Shorthand, and Typewriting and Mercantile Arithmetic, Nelson's New Bookkeeping, and Accounts and Business. I think these aren't really issues since they're lists of proper titles. As for the source being self-published, I wasn't aware of that when I cited it and I can't really do anything about it. If it's a major concern, I am ok with this hook being rejected. ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 03:12, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

  @ArtemisiaGentileschiFan: Compare these two passages: Departments at the school included Business Penmanship, Mercantile Law, Banking and Business Transactions, Bookkeeping, Correspondence, Shorthand, and Typewriting. Nelson opened a Preparatory Department for high school-aged students in 1889. The school published its own textbooks, titled Mercantile Arithmetic, Nelson's New Bookkeeping, and Accounts and Business. Richard Nelson's son, Richard J. Nelson, opened a Springfield branch in 1881; this branch was later managed by his brother Horatio. Another son, Albert Nelson, opened a branch in Memphis in 1898. Richard Nelson's daughter Ella managed the Nelson Ladies' Business College in Cincinnati. (article) Departments included Business Penmanship, Mercantile Law, Banking and Business Transactions, Bookkeeping, Correspondence, Shorthand, and Typewriting. In 1889 he opened a Preparatory Department for high school age students. When Nelson found that existing textbooks were insufficient, the school published its own texts: Mercantile Arithmetic, Nelson’s New Bookkeeping, and Accounts and Business.... One son, Richard J., opened a branch in Springfield in 1881, which was later managed by his brother Horatio. A third son, Albert, opened a branch in Memphis in 1898. The Nelson Ladies’ Business College was operated by a daughter, Ella, in Cincinnati. (source). That looks like CLOP to me. The sentence structure, progression and flow are very similar even if some of the words are rearranged. But the CLOP is fixable. As for the sourcing, unless there's a case to be made for LostColleges.com being an acceptable use of a self-published source or another source can be found, I don't think this article is DYK-eligible. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:19, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

  I think I have fixed the CLOP issue, but I understand and agree that the source isn't sufficient. I'm ok with withdrawing/rejecting this nomination. ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 03:29, 15 April 2026 (UTC)