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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Al-Masjid an-Nabawi (pictured), the second holiest mosque of Islam, was built by Muhammad partly on a burial ground?
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The bottom picture forces the top one too far to the right... someone should fix this. Xoder 21:52, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Tweaked, hopefully fixed. Please drop a note here if it gives anyone problems on their browser. Turnstep 02:22, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Size

This must be one of the largest buildings in the world. Can someone add some statistics please? CalJW 17:20, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Tourism

Ok, so Saudi Arabia isn't exactly a very tourist friendly country, but is it open to non-Muslims? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.10.39.5 (talk) 13:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Wrong Name

Calling it Masjid al-Nabawi will totalley change the meaning of the article, it's true when removing al from a single arabic word the meaning won't change, but it's not the same for a combined noun and adjective. for example the word al-Nabawi in al-Masjid al-Nabawi is an adjective, but when changed to Masjid al-Nabawi it'll become a noun and that changes the meaning, until the al before masjed is put back. so I advice using al in both words, and that goes for similar articles as well. AshrafSS 16:37, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Grave

Perhaps there should be something on the controversy in Islam around building over graves? I heard their prophet warned against it when he was dying.

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia; please remember to sign your posts with four tildes. In any case, where did you learn of this information about graves and Muhammad's warning against building over them? Could I see a source? Thanks Jamutaq (talk) 01:34, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Merge the tomb article

I think that the newly created article Mohammed's tomb should be merged into this one as the tomb article would fit nicely into this one in terms of subject matter. MP (talk) 13:18, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Sources and images

This page gives more info. about the mosque and it's history (one of the sources is WP itself, but there is another source) and this one provides some images of the mosque (have to check copyright though). MP (talk) 13:31, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

The image

The image of the mosque ia "above" the words "other mosques throughout the world" in the history chapter. Can someone fix it?--217.132.167.148 09:55, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

What is this picture on the page showing a pig???

Why is it saying Islam is dead???

Please remove it because i think it is vandalized thank u

Merge from Muhammad's tomb

There was an article called Muhammad's tomb, which was barely a stub. The only useful content in it was:

  • The sentence Outside of the Mosque a plaque reads "Inside here is bones and nothing more". I copied it here, but marked it as {{citation needed}}. Please check that it is correct.
  • The photo, which i put in the description section. Please check that it belongs here and add a caption.

Thanks. --Amir E. Aharoni 22:28, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Second holiest?

The intro states that this mosque is the second holiest in Islam. Does that status not belong to the Dome of the Rock? Chesdovi (talk) 20:32, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it doesn't. The Al-Aqsa mosque is the third holiest. MP (talkcontribs) 19:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
But there are reliable sources stating that this is so, see the info at Dome of the Rock I just readded. Chesdovi (talk) 00:46, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
A little clarification is in order here. The Al-aqsa mosque is the third holiest mosque, but the actual Dome of the Rock is the second holiest place. The mosque must not be equated with the precise location of the dome. Hope this helps. MP (talkcontribs) 20:01, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! By the way, what is the 3rd holiest place? Chesdovi (talk) 20:08, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
You're most welcome. I'm not sure what the third holiest place is. The Kaaba and the Dome of the Rock tend to be the ones most often discussed when considering 'holiness'. MP (talkcontribs) 20:11, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Not really MPatel. thestick (talk) 23:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Hala Sultan Tekke

I have never heard of Hala Sultan Tekke and most likely, most other Muslims have never heard of it either. To state that it shares the status of the third holiest site of Islam with the Al-aqsa mosque is, at best, dubious. At the very least, it is not notable. However, see Holiest sites in Islam.. MP (talkcontribs) 20:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

It is notable, but it lacks renown because Al Aqsa mosque has become the "3rd holiest" after it was used as a political pawn at the start of the 20th century. Nevertheless, Al Aqsa is still only third in "virtue". No religious book mentions holiness per-se. I think that Shia also view Najaf or Karbala as their third “holiest” sites. Chesdovi (talk) 20:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
It's not notable. Also, some 1400 year old sources like the Hadith and Quran mention several important vitues about the Al-Aqsa mosque and some events related to that site. The "Hala Sultan Tekke" is mostly non-mainstream/dubious/locally revered as the third holiest. thestick (talk) 23:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


Distraction

I realize it's the proper thing to do in Islam but having "Peace Be Unto Him" after every instance of Muhammad's name is rather distracting and prevents the article from flowing well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.110.204.129 (talk) 05:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Islam-related articles), the honorific "Peace Be Upon Him" "should generally not be used in articles". --Stormie (talk) 04:26, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Agreed, and it's also a violation of NPOV. Jamutaq (talk) 01:27, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Didn't Mohammed die in Jerusalem?

Or was he not bodily assumed into heaven at the location of the Dome of the Rock? Could someone clarify this for me? Thanks.

According to the Muhammed article it was in Medina and is sourced from here. The highly esteemed CBW presents the Talk Page! 21:39, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Okay. I must have been confused. That was a very thorough article. If only that magazine could produce something so glowing and complementary about Christianity...

Picture of pilgrim

I have removed the picture prominently showing a smiling pilgrim with Al-Masjid al-Nabawi in the background. This is entirely inappropriate for an encyclopedia as the image is of low quality and the focus is clearly upon the person and not the subject of the article. DO NOT replace this picture with out at least discussing the issues I have raised—Wikipedia is not a depository for tourist pictures. Xargon666x6 (talk) 22:23, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

I completely agree with this statement. 198.7.235.73 (talk) 20:41, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Wrong Picture

This picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tombstone_of_Umar_%28r.a%29_by_mohammad_adil_rais.JPG is identified in this article as the tomb of Muhammad, but the picture's caption says it's the tomb of Umar...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.230.177.44 (talk) 17:29, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

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Addressing the prophet

With all due respect, I will like to say that the editors and writers of this article should put Peace be upon him(shortly PBUH in parenthesis when referring to the holy prophet) or they can use a much easier form which is (S.A.W), abbreviation of the transliteration 'Sallalaahu Alaihi Wasallam' after his beloved name. Eg. Prophet Muhammad(S.A.W) or (PBUH). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.217.133.252 (talk) 21:09, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

I'd say that would be against Wikipedia's NPOV policy. Also, Muhammad isn't holy nor a prophit to everyone, just like Jesus isn't holy nor a prophit to everyone. No offense intended, just want to help clear up some possible misunderstandings. Jamutaq (talk) 01:30, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Map?

I'd like to see a floor plan of the Mosque detailing the era of the different expansions. --Error (talk) 03:25, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 9 September 2017

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The result of the move request was: no consensus DrStrauss talk 17:26, 10 October 2017 (UTC)



Al-Masjid an-NabawiProphet's Mosque – Consistency with using English names as in this move discussion about the other sacred mosque and WP:COMMONNAME in reliable English-language sources:

Additonally, the first "Al-" (Arabic definite article) has really got to go per WP:THE. HyperGaruda (talk) 05:44, 9 September 2017 (UTC) --HyperGaruda (talk) 13:02, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

  • Arabic grammar changes matters. "Nabawi" is an -īy adjective meaning "belonging to the prophet". "Al-Masjid an-Nabawi" means "the mosque that belongs to the prophet". In "Masjid an-Nabawi", losing the first "Al-" changes it into a genitive construction: "the mosque that belongs to someone/something that belongs to the prophet". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:39, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose, the current name is more common in reliable sources. Al can't be removed because of the reason stated by Anthony Appleyard. Khestwol (talk)
The 74 hits I get for "Al-Masjid an-Nabawi" is clearly less than the 700 hits for the "Prophet's Mosque" as pointed out in the opening post. --HyperGaruda (talk) 21:17, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
New account, see ongoing Sock investigation In ictu oculi (talk) 20:07, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
Referring to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kauffner I presume. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:02, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose, per totals of 3 Arabic variant vs 1 English variant, cf reason given by Anthony Appleyard. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:09, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Can we please focus on the move to "Prophet's Mosque" and ignore my little grammar mistake about "Al-". I did not propose to move it to "Masjid al-Nabawi" to begin with, if you had not noticed. --HyperGaruda (talk) 13:02, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
@In ictu oculi: are you sure you counted correctly? I listed two English and two Arabic variants, with the English variants totalling to over 3 times as many hits as the Arabic ones. --HyperGaruda (talk) 20:10, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
Oh you're right, I was looking at another 3rd minor Arabic variant, but you do have two English ones above. Hmm. 20:19, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

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Official Website

After quite an extensive search on the web I couldn't find the official website of the mosque, is there any? Moughera (talk) 09:58, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

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