Talk:Psychic

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Under 'Fraud', there is some issue with the html

alling for a psychic scam can result in a loss of one's entire life savings. In an example given in article by Rob Palmer,^[1] a woman gave a psychic $41,642 over a period of 10 weeks.

please fix this :) thanks Jarviscockerslongthumbnail (talk) 04:52, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

actually, sorry, my copy and paste didnt reveal the error

it is there in the article Jarviscockerslongthumbnail (talk) 04:55, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done --Pinchme123 (talk) 05:20, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Would someone please add this book to the external links or elsewhere if you think it appropriate? Also this book?

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Change short description to:

Alleged phenomena whereby the mind perceives information beyond the ordinary senses or interacts with the environment in ways that defy conventional understanding

Change first paragraph of body text to:

Psychic (or psi) phenomena refer to alleged human faculties that allow individuals to perceive or interact with the world beyond the normal physical means, supposedly through mental processes. Alleged psychic abilities are generally categorised into two types; extrasensory perception (ESP), which involves accessing information hidden from the ordinary senses, through means such as telepathy, remote viewing, precognition or clairvoyance; and abilities relating to mental-physical manipulation, such as psychokinesis and energy medicine. While the application of psychic phenomena by practitioners (such as mediums, clairvoyants and energy healers) is widely considered to be pseudoscience, efforts to investigate these claims in controlled conditions are part of the field of parapsychology (or psi research). The Parapsychological Association, an affiliate of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, is the leading international organization for scientists and scholars exploring psi phenomena.

Change - Please create new subsection for ‘Modern day psychic practitioners’ to include the rest of the introductory section focusing on the role of psychic practitioners. LetoDidac (talk) 07:12, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: See WP:Undue and WP:NPOV. ⸺(Random)staplers 19:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Would appreciate an explanation from @Randomstaplers on reasons for undue. For other user's interest, here are the editorial explanations I included in the submission:

Explanation for change in short description: 1 'Psychic' is not defined by its practitioners, but rather by the phenomena under consideration(practitioners simply take the name of the phenomena); 2 psychic covers both perception (ESP) but also allged mind-matter interaction.

Explanation for changes to body text:

1 Psychic phenomena need to be defined before their practitioners. 2 examples should prioritize phenomena most under active research, such as precognition, in favor of those that have not been actively studied such as teleportation. 3 the applied practice of psychic phenomena, e.g. chakras, mediumship, can be considered pseudoscience due to lack of scientific method and rigour (I don't think anyone would debate this). 4 the scientific enquiry and debate into psi phenomena as a whole cannot be considered pseudoscience, as this would imply that both critics and proponents are unscientific and not open to debate and improving studies, and that there is therefore no scientific field of study for investigating the purported phenomena despite them being widely believed by the general public; That some scientists have characterised an entire field of study as pseudoscience does not justify such a claim in a wiki page; methodological flaws, mistakes and incorrect conclusions can be seen in all fields of study (e.g. quantum physics), but this does not make those entire fields of study pseudoscience, as this would create closed-mindedness to further research and strongly discourage scientific enquiry. The AAAS recognised parapsychology as a legitimate science due to consistent use of scientific methods. 5 concluding with a link to the mainstream organisation that debates and discusses the issues of psi research will be useful for interested readers. LetoDidac (talk) 04:12, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

@LetoDidac You're making a substantial change to the lead, which is supposed to summarize the article. This means you'll have to (effectively) change the entire article. And you're going to have to find references that prove, specifically, that psychic phenomena are effective (and not just from an advocate's homepage).

By the way, I did not revert your other edit I warned you about. You'll have to talk to that other editor.⸺(Random)staplers 04:25, 11 September 2024 (UTC)