Talk:Saint Patrick

Life as Sochet

"which also appears in Muirchú moccu Machtheni's seventh-century Life as Sochet". I don't have access to Dumville's book, but I think Muirchu is only known for writing "Life of St Patrick. So what is this "Life as Sochet"?

Maewyn Succat

It's irritating that a bunch of websites quote this as his name, as it seems very shaky. 1) Converting "Magonus" to "Maewyn" is not certain and (2) there's no justification for sticking two of his four hagiographic names together to make a modern-looking name with first name and surname. Anyone got a good source disputing this Maewyn Succat thing? Dhalamh (talk) 11:31, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

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In the lede, change "A recent biography on Patrick shows a late fourth-century date for the saint is not impossible" to "A recent biography on Patrick shows a late fourth-century date for the saint is possible." This is to make it more clear and direct. Mavianth (talk) 12:04, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: I think the current wording is fine. "Not impossible" carries a connotation of "perhaps unlikely, but cannot be ruled out" which isn't really captured if we change it to "possible." Day Creature (talk) 12:44, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

I don't know if I would say the wording is entirely fine. Saying it is a "recent" biography does not correctly date it, and it does not attribute it to Flechner.

In any case, they are saying the same thing, logically. My aim is to make it direct and clear to align with Flechner's assertions. "Not impossible" can have certain connotations, but it is also imprecise and hesitant against what Flechner writes. He writes "This suggests a date for Patrick during the Roman occupation of Britain (perhaps even in the fourth century) or not too long after." (Page 36) and that "there is no decisive argument for rejecting a dating before the fifth century." (Page 34). Mavianth (talk) 13:55, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

After reviewing the source more closely, I don't have an issue with your proposed change, so I will make the edit. Let me know if you have a proposed replacement for the "recent biography" phrasing. Day Creature (talk) 15:53, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

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Saint Patrick was born in Nemphlar near Lanark in Strathclude according to the hymn of saint Fiaac, "Genair Patraic i Nemthur" (Patrick was born in Nemthur). This location is included in the placename dalpatrick on the map, Pont, Timothy, 1560?-1614?; Blaeu, Joan, 1596-1673. Saint Patrick's well is located at Lanark Douglashalbar (talk) 10:22, 15 December 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please detail the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Day Creature (talk) 13:22, 15 December 2025 (UTC)

Since I have been reverted twice, here is my attempt to justify my original edits to the Importance tag on several Wikiprojects.

First off, AFAIK there is no written guideline that says you must be a member of the named Wikiprojects to assess Importance, only that one follows each Wikiproject's guidelines for assessment. From my understanding of these, this article does not qualify as "Top" on any project except perhaps Wikiproject Ireland, and IMO that's ambiguous.

Second, I am a member of Wikiproject Catholicism so I will be making a reassessment just for that right after this. Nautical Mongoose (talk) 18:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for opening a discussion. On the first point, it is a general condition of most WikiProjects that only members may change the ratings, as one should have experience and understanding of the project's weigtings for importance; a typical wording would be "Who can assess articles? Any member of the Religion WikiProject is free to add or change the rating of an article." - similar wording would be found on Ireland, Catholicism, etc.

On the second point, there is no doubt at all re. WikiProject Ireland's rating - and I speak from both knowledge of Ireland and as one of the most experienced raters for that project. As to others, it's not a simple question. I actually agree that some of the "importance" ratings are probably not perfect - St Patrick is one of the best-known saints, but clearly not at the same level as the disciples, evangelists and other "core" saints, and saints are not the only topics in most relevant projects. So my own feeling would be that he is "High" for Catholicism, "Mid" for Orthodoxy, "Mid" for Nigeria, etc. - but as I am not a member of any of those projects, I leave this decision to experienced members of the relevant projects. The best way to handle this issue is indeed to have a discussion here. SeoR (talk) 01:48, 13 March 2026 (UTC)