Talk:Shyness

• I am afraid that I had to remove a large body of text involving a single study on shyness and illness. Wikipedia has guidelines and policies regarding the use of primary sources, see WP:PSTS. Also, see WP:UNDUE. Finally, it is a WP:COI to mention the names of people known to you. Instead, use scientific review articles to build and improve Wikipedia. Best to stick to researchers in the field who are "big names"; the way to tell that is if they have a Wikipedia article themselves. Speciate (talk) 02:27, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

• I have re-entered the large body of text involving the single study on shyness and illness because APS is recommending the addition of this kind of material to Wikipedia because it is far better than the kinds of sources they typically want. Dsmit89 (talk) 00:17, 30 October 2012 (UTC)Dsmit89

• However, this one study gets way too much space in this article. This is not a scientific article, or a studybook in which it can be appropriate to give a detailed description of a study, this is an encyclopedic article on shyness and we should be concise. Please Dsmit89, summarize the section! Lova Falk talk 12:45, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

• I can only endorse what Speciate and Lova Falk have said: this article may well be worth a mention, but its principal findings need to be summarized in no more than a single sentence or two, within the context of the wider discussion. In addition, please cite it fully: you have given the authors, title and year, but you have only mentioned that it is in the Canadian Journal of Behaviour Science in the body of the text – that information should be in the citation – and you should also provide a volume number and page numbers. All these details may be required by anyone wishing to follow it up and consult the full article, which is one of the purposes of providing references. In fact, you should probably add the full reference to the Bibliography at the foot of the article. GrindtXX (talk) 02:30, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Society defines "normal." Shyness was a term not coined or considered an illness until the 1960s. ^[1]

Jump up ^ 1966-, Lane, Christopher, (2007). Shyness : how normal behavior became a sickness. New Haven: Yale University Press. ISBN 9780300124460. OCLC 154689037. Elp3h.emily.powell (talk) 02:35, 29 September 2018 (UTC)--Elp3h.emily.powell (talk) 02:35, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

The same things that were said about "Shyness and illness" can be said about "Gender, Shyness and Social Acceptance". Only really special and seminal studies, that have made a major contribution to the development of the scientific knowledge about a subject should be cited here. Please summarize. Lova Falk talk 12:55, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Again agreed: please summarize much more succinctly, and please cite the source in full. Here you have sourced the article only to Springer Science+Business Media, who are the publishers of multiple journals: it could prove extremely difficult for someone to track down the full article. The publisher is unimportant: the journal title is essential (as are volume and page numbers). GrindtXX (talk) 02:39, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Today I removed two more empirical studies. Do I understand correctly that adding an empirical study is part of their assignment on Wikipedia? In that case, it is a real problem, because Wikipedia is not the right place to describe empirical studies. This is an encyclopedia! It should describe accepted knowledge, preferably from secondary sources! I find it a very frustrating situation, first for the students to see their work removed, and also for us, who need to clean up several articles. Lova Falk talk 09:01, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

PS We have a discussion about this at User talk:Pauljosephconway/Psychology 2410A at King's Lova Falk talk 10:47, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay, this is the the first time I EVER that I've heard the claim that shy people are perceived as being less intelligent. Usually a hear the exact opposite, shy people are perceived as being more intelligent, and a quick search on google appears to confirm that for at least people on the internet. I think something about that should be adressed in the article, maybe it's just that everyone on the internet is an introvert, but that section is from an extrovert perspective, I don't know. Anyway, if the perception that shy people are perceived as less intelligent is brought up than equally the perception that shy people are more intelligent should als be brought up as it's also culturally prevalent to a significant degree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.228.108.125 (talk) 16:24, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment! The section Intelligence actually says "data collected leans toward a positive rather than negative correlation between intelligence and shyness, though it isn't statistically significant." However, there were also a couple of unsourced statements about the stereotype of less intelligence, so I put "citation needed"-tags behind these sentences. They are really ugly, so I hope someone will provide the source. Lova Falk talk 16:07, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

I am a Senior in Clemson University's Psychology program.This semester for my Psychology Laboratory we are modifying articles in order to bump them to featured article status. My goal for this article is to add additional citations and give the article a more worldwide view. I also want to delete the part on mercury poisoning, seeing as I feel this has nothing to do with the article. Csing (talk) 15:13, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Welcome! Please remember that Wikipedia is not an academic paper or essay! Wikipedia articles should not be based on WP:primary sources, but on reliable, published secondary sources (for instance, journal reviews and professional or advanced academic textbooks) and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources (such as undergraduate textbooks). WP:MEDRS describes how to identify reliable sources for medical information, which is a good guideline for many psychology articles as well.

About your plans to delete the section on mercury poisoning, this is actually sourced content. So I would recommend you not to just delete it but start a discussion about deleting it here on this talk page. You can check in history who are major contributors to this article and invite them to participate in the discussion. With friendly regards, Lova Falk talk 16:29, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I understand about not deleting or adding content, my professor wanted us to just write on the talk page of the article we are planning to modify just so we can get feedback. I am using my sandbox to make the changes.

This article is currently the subject of an educational assignment.

Csing (talk) 17:52, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Csing! Using your sandbox is a good idea, as long as you discuss important changes here. Have fun editing! Lova Falk talk 18:19, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

I have added another study and examples of different cultural views on shyness along with a section on inhibition (because it goes along with shyness). I have not changed anything to the original article. If you all wont mind looking at my sandbox and telling me what you think (edits are in red). Thank you any help is appreciated.Csing (talk) 22:19, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Csing and thank you for your invitation.

• I wonder, after writing about primary sources and (as far as I know) your prof also telling not to use them, why you added two primary sources to a section that already had one. The description of study two is way too long - in scientific articles, such a description can be relevant, but in an encyclopedia, we are concerned with what is known about shyness and not with how the scientists conducted the study. When it comes to the final sentence "In conclusion, these two theories believe that the situations presented to Chinese and Korean children are viewed as more unpredictable and fearful than those of Australian, Canadian and Italian children" - this sentence is difficult to understand and does not clarify very much about how shyness differs across cultures. All in all, it would be much better if you could find a review. However, if you cannot find any review, in the introduction of an article and in the Discussion at the end, authors usually discuss other studies, and they relate their results to others' results, maybe you can find useful information there.
• When it comes to study three, it is not at all clear to me why you mention just this study, apart from it being Turkish. There might not exist a review of studies comparing shyness between cultures, but I cannot believe there are no reviews of worldwide studies about the relationship between fear of negative evaluation, self-esteem, interpersonal rejection and shyness. There is no reason at all to have this one particular study here and not any other one.
  
• Subsection "Perceptions of Eastern cultures on shyness" and a large part of subsection "Perceptions of Western cultures on shyness" are unsourced and need a source. And why is the Chen study of Chinese children in the Western culture subsection?
  
• Please don't use "you" - not encyclopedic!
• This is not a good source. Author is unknown, the text is not reviewed. However, they state their sources, so the site can help you find good sources you can use instead.
  

With friendly regards! Lova Falk talk 18:30, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you again, you'r feedback is very helpful. I am changing (adding/deleting) things as I work. Thank you for the cookie. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Csing (talk • contribs) 14:39, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

I have added sections on:

- social and behavioral inhibition

- low birthrates in relation to shyness

- Perception of Eastern and Western cultures on shyness-inhibition and

- examples of different cultural views

These changes have been approved by my professor Csing (talk) 14:38, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I removed this because Keillor self reports as shy but does not show any of the symptoms. If anything Keillor shows more signs of being a psychopath, he just says that he is shy to be manipulative. Also Keillor is not an expert in the field of psychology so what he says does not matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.103.132.149 (talk) 16:38, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

There are some biological origins of shyness but there is no part with psychological origins of shyness (with title). I think this is unbalanced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.41.224.172 (talk) 16:49, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi 178.41.224.172! If you have good, secondary sources – and please also check WP:MEDRS – then please be bold and write a section about it! With friendly regards, Lova Falk talk 17:18, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Does anybody else think that the section examining shyness as perceived in Western cultures vs. perception in Eastern cultures is too general?

Perhaps it's that the very notion of a singular Western culture and singular Eastern culture is flawed, but - to me at least - stating that in Western culture shyness is perceived as negative, whilst in Eastern culture it is perceived as being positive, sounds like a broad and frankly unhelpful generalisation. I find it pretty questionable.

For one thing, the section references the text The Development of Shyness and Social Withdrawal by Kenneth H. Rubin, Robert J. Coplan, which uses as its own reference for all of 'Western culture' North America. Surely there would be variation between Western European, Southern European, Eastern European and North American cultural perception of shyness? So how can a study of North America be used as a representation of all 'Western' civilisation? Similarly, the text uses a study of traditional China to represent all 'Eastern' civilisation - do we not think shyness would be perceived differently in Vietnam, South Korea, Japan, Afghanistan, India, Iran etc.?

I think an edit of this section would be appropriate to reflect a less bilateral view (East vs. West). 77.99.12.140 (talk) 23:19, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

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In the first paragraph, we read the sentence "The primary characteristic of shyness is a largely ego-driven fear of what other people will think of a person's behaviour". This is merely a popular belief about shyness, and no citation is given for any empiricial evidence to support this claim. Vorbee (talk) 16:30, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

It's the definition of the word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.200.80.23 (talk) 18:17, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

The source cited to support that intelligence and shyness aren't correlated explicitly defines "shy" as something completely different from the actual meaning right from the start, so it's invalid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.200.80.23 (talk) 06:42, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

This article is written from the point of view of shyness as a personality trait. Nevertheless, in normal English it is also used to characterise the behaviour of infant children in the presence of strangers. I've added a link to [Stranger anxiety] at the disambiguation page but I really think that there should be a direct link from the top of this page. Psychological usage is fine, but some help should be given to people who are looking for 'shyness' in one of its ordinary English senses and not just in the narrower psychological sense.

Bathrobe (talk) 01:05, 1 May 2021 (UTC)