Talk:Tension Tour

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Livelikemusic, please stop edit-warring. Your changes are ridiculous.

  1. No world-class star performs a headline tour in small towns. The concert in - for example - LDLC Arena is not a concert for the residents of an insignificant suburb of Décines-Charpieu, but for Lyon. It's logical. Sometimes it happens that the main arena is located in the suburbs. This is a normal.
  2. Your version makes life difficult for readers, readers have the right to see major cities as venues for concerts. The names of the small suburbs are not known to readers and make it difficult to obtain information. For years, it has been standard to use the names of major cities rather than smaller suburbs for concerts, both on Wikipedia and elsewhere.
  3. We cannot use double standards. It is against Wikipedia's rules. For example, other singers like Katy Perry use main city for the The Lifetimes Tour, even though it will use the same arenas (Accor Arena etc). It is unacceptable to apply different standards to Kylie Minogue (names of suburbs) and other pop-stars like Katy Perry (names of main cities).
  4. Some of your changes are technically incorrect. You used the name "Bercy" as a city, the problem is that it is part of the city of Paris and not a separate city
  5. The main source www.kylie.com/live/ used the names of the cities like "Paris", "Manila", "Chicago" etc and not the names of the suburbs where the arena is located.

So, calm down please a bit and let's use common sense. 77.222.224.161 (talk) 02:14, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Firstly, third-party sources are cited within the Background section, therefore, primary source (which was not only improperly cited, but also improperly placed) should not be used. As exampled at their own venue pages, the full address (of location) is used. And while we really shouldn't be exampling other Wikipedia pages, as they can often be filled with the ignorance of several manual of style policies, amongst other issues, the Eras Tour is a prime example. The SoFi Stadium is labeled as Los Angeles in promotional materials, while it is in Inglewood. The same situation applies to this page, as well. The Allstate Arena is in Rosemont, not Chicago as labeled in the vast sources previously-sourced in the Background section. This is the standard that is presently in-practice across multiple concert tour articles. You place the actual location within the table, with the {{Efn}} noted what it's noted as within promotional/billing materials. This also happens at the article for the 1989 World Tour, which is an approved good article, which wouldn't have been approved if this kind of issue was a problem. As you can see, I have debunked your third point, and it's why we shouldn't always rely on what other articles attempt to do, because as you can see, the standard in-place at this tour article is used on other articles. Also, please don't tell me to "calm down," I don't find that a very civil thing to do, as I am quite calm, nor is telling someone to use "common sense" quite civil, and could be seen as a personal attack of one's intelligence. And, quite often, larger-known cities are the ones noted as they're more likely to be recognized in widespread media. In example of the Allstate Arena, people may be more inclined to know Chicago in comparison to Rosemont, where the arena is actually located. livelikemusic (TALK!) 02:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
I made further edits to compromise, based on the infoboxes for some of the venues. livelikemusic (TALK!) 03:13, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
  • You wrote that we shouldn't look at other articles in Wikipedia, and you base your entire statement on examples from other articles in Wikipedia. Okay, we can assume that it works both ways. There are examples of articles where suburbs are places for concert, and there are articles where major cities are places for concert. Well, it happens. That's not conclusive.
  • There are two different points of view and there are sources supporting both the use of the suburb's name and there are sources using the name of the main city. Wikipedia has core rules (Wikipedia:Five pillars) and mechanisms that need to be implemented in such situations - Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Both versions we can use at the same time, for example: Décines-Charpieu (Lyon). I am willing to compromise. I made further edits to compromise. 77.222.224.161 (talk) 01:33, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Except, if we are using other articles—which my point was kind of to say we shouldn't—your "compromise" is too cluttered and, is partially why the notation exists; from an outward viewpoint, looks amateur and Fandom-lite. livelikemusic (TALK!) 02:29, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
You say: "too cluttered" - maybe for you. This is just your personal opinion and FLUFF does not apply here. You must have forgotten where you are. This is not the place to undo another user's changes because you want to, because you have such an opinion, because in your opinion your version looks nicer. We have two different points of view here, each of them supported by sources. You have no right to push your version using an edit war. I gave up my version and accepted the compromise, and you only restore your version. Your version violates the NPOV rule. Your actions like this will no longer be accepted. 77.222.224.161 (talk) 01:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Okay, so issuing intimidation tactics, such as "You must have forgotten where you are," "This is not the place to undo another user's changes because you want to, because you have such an opinion, because in your opinion your version looks nicer," and "Your actions like this will no longer be accepted" isn't acceptable, per WP:UNCIVIL/WP:IUC, especially when they were not even my own actions—especially following your previous statement(s) telling me to "calm down". I did not undo any of the edits and, if you did look at the page's edit history, you'll see only in one instance was it quasi-undone by me—in fixing other edit(s) (1264826096) for which the so-called "compromise" was not placed back in—which was not intentional at all. Everything else was undone by anonymous editors (1266057360 1266230235 1266231289)—which would, in suggest (sans discussion) that other editor(s) disagree with the compromise put in place, based on usage in other articles, etc. So, instead of not assuming good faith and coming in looking for a battle, come in and ask, "Hey, what happened?". Because, while I disagree with your edits (which I don't view as a compromise at all, as it was neither discussed nor agreed upon)—per WP:CONSENSUS—I also did not undo the edits. livelikemusic (TALK!) 02:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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Fan request(s)

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As noted in the set list from opening night, both "Breathe" and "I Should Be So Lucky" were performed as fan requests during the concert. As we've seen with concert tours like the Eras Tour (Taylor Swift), Meaning of Life Tour (Kelly Clarkson) and Short n' Sweet Tour (Sabrina Carpenter), these kind of alternating songs are becoming a more popular trend, and should more information come out of subsequent set lists⏤if they are reported on⏤then a sub-section for the songs can/should be made, and the inclusion of the previously-mentioned songs could be changed to "fan request" (sans quotations). This seems like the most logical path to take at this time. livelikemusic (TALK!) 15:54, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

I tried to make this section but someone keeps removing it without reason. The sources are not the best ones but that is what people witnessed during the concerts. Mmaabento (talk) 15:40, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
That's a lie. Reasons were given each time. If you would read your own talk page or even the edit summaries, you would see why it's being removed. Setlist.FM is not a reliable source as it is user generated (per WP:ALBUMAVOID) so its inclusion is unacceptable. Plus, you continue to violate WP:CITEVAR and MOS:NUM in your edits, as well. livelikemusic (TALK!) 15:43, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
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