Talk:The Bahamas

Strange that there is no section or even mention of crime and also homicide on the main page given that the Bahamas has one of the highest murder rates in the world according to Wikipedia's page on that subject. Anybody have any information on crime and murder in the Bahamas??? Betathetapi454 (talk) 08:43, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

The lede of this article says 3,000. The lede of Geography of the Bahamas says 700. I'm not seeing a source citation for either number. Surely this discrepancy needs to be cleared up, authoritatively, but I'm a tired old man, so I will let you young'uns have the fun of diving for sources. Textorus (talk) 14:48, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

:In The Story of the Bahamas (1975 - Macmillan Caribbean), Paul Albury says about 700 is a good estimate for the number of islands, along with thousands of rocks.(p. 5) An 1864 government report counted 29 islands, 661 cays, and 2,387 rocks.(p. 6) I am not aware of any more recent precise count. Donald Albury 16:59, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

And I thought that count was in the article. It seems I moved the full count, with a citation to Albury, from the lead to the Geography section 13 years ago. Somebody obviously later removed it, but it's not worth it to me to figure out who or when. Donald Albury 17:09, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

The 700 islands is sourced in the Geography section. I'm off to the other article. - Donald Albury 17:28, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

It appears to have a 7% probability of being AI-generated. Angrythewikipedian (talk) 17:04, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Considering that the first paragraph does not appear to have changed in the past four years, I don't think anyone has snuck in and replaced the old lead with an AI-generated one. Whatever detection program you are using is probably detecting the Wikipedia style, some of which has infected LLMs. Donald Albury 17:23, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

@TurboSuperA+, If this is what you tagged the page over, I feel like the tag should be removed. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 12:36, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found the section. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 12:38, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

Sorry about tagging the whole article. The template has been changed now to allow for sections to be tagged separately. TurboSuperA+_[talk] 13:33, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

I looked over the climate section and it looks to be just poorly done instead of written by an LLM. I definitely see why you thought it was AI, though. It uses a lot of weird metaphors that really should not be in a Wikipedia article. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 13:39, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

@user:Donald Albury, user:VexVector, and others. There still is no consistent approach. Previous discussions have related to different contexts so applying any agreed decision about one context does not apply to another. Should there be yet further discussion here to establish firm guidelines that are simple to use and have broad approval, meaning they will work? Roger 8 Roger (talk) 06:41, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

I think that for the most part sentence case (i.e., "the Bahamas") should be used, but when giving the official name, it is equivalent to a quote, and "The Commonwealth of The Bahamas" should be used. Donald Albury 16:13, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

That's basically been my view too. Interesting, its official name according to the UN uses lower case the. What or where is the definitive official name? I also wounder if we are not unnecessarily focused on the spelling - the word is 'the', there are not two words, just two spellings. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 01:35, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

I did notice a while ago that the Bahamas Government websites are inconsistent on the capitalization. And now I see (at the constitution), that the preamble of the constitution says "Commonwealth of The Bahamas", Chapter 1, Section 1 says "Commonwealth of the Bahamas, and Section 2 says "Commonwealth of The Bahamas". Messy! Donald Albury 18:07, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

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The Bahamas → BahamasBahamas – countries such as the Philippines and the Netherlands have "the" as a prefix in their name, but not in the article title. I don't see why the Bahamas should be any different. Dr. Precursor (talk) 02:52, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

Hell, there are even more countries that are instances of this, such as the United States and the United Arab Emirates. Provides even more reason for my move request. Dr. Precursor (talk) 02:55, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose move. WP:THE specifically lists The Bahamas as an example of a country which uses "The", alongside The Gambia. O.N.R. ^(talk) 09:06, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose, perennial attempt (this is the fifth move attempt). What has changed to bring this back to RM with the same request? Randy Kryn (talk) 12:26, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose and speedy close. WP:NCTHE specifically covers this situation: When definite and indefinite articles should be used (...) The Bahamas (because it is one of two countries that have "The" as part of their common and official name); When definite and indefinite articles should be avoided (...) Netherlands (because it does not have "The" as part of their common and official name). There have been four other RMs over the years proposing the exact same move, and all of them were closed as no consensus/not moved. No new circumstances have been brought that can lead to a different outcome here nor to justify the inapplication of NCTHE. Impru20^talk 15:13, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose per Britannica unlike Netherlands and Philippines "The" is part of the name. Note that I'm not suggesting that we use the long official name namely "Commonwealth of The Bahamas". Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:32, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose as others have said, The Bahamas is both the official and most commonly used name, there's no need to change it. Eustathius (talk) 20:27, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose for me as with the responses above. Santiago Claudio (talk) 08:01, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
• Support. I may be outnumbered, but I entirely agree with the nominator. WP:THE applies here. In general, the definite article is lowercased in running text. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:25, 20 March 2026 (UTC)