Talk:Titanic Collapsible Boat B
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Did you know nomination
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. You can locate your hook here. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by TarnishedPath talk 10:10, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
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Collapsible Boat B (found upturned and adrift at sea).
- ... that the most senior crew member of the Titanic to survive the disaster, as well as an American colonel, one of the telegraphists, the chief baker, and a teenage boy were saved on an upturned boat (pictured)?
- Sources: FOR LIGHTOLLER: Second Officer Charles Herbert Lightoller (third in from right), who was the most senior officer to survive the disaster // BBC UK — FOR GRACIE: Colonel Archibald Gracie's letter, written during the voyage, said he would "await my journey's end" before he passed judgement on the "fine ship". // BBC NEWS — FOR BRIDE: THRILLING STORY BY TITANIC'S SURVIVING WIRELESS MAN; Bride Tells How He and Phillips Worked and How He Finished a Stoker Who Tried to Steal Phillips's Life Belt -- Ship Sank to Tune of "Autumn" // The New York Times — FOR JOUGHIN: [From page 87 of Daniel Allen Butler book Unsinkable: The Full Story: "...trailing behind Chief Baker Charles Joughin , each carrying four loaves of bread, which were quickly distributed among the boats."] // AND FOR THAYER: [From page 216 of Jack Winocour book The Story of the Titanic As Told by Its Survivors which mentions him as part of the boat].
- Reviewed: New Orleans station (US Navy)
CoryGlee (talk) 00:58, 29 September 2025 (UTC).
The article has been thoroughly expanded, is of sufficient length, and is well-sourced, with no copyright issues detected by Earwig. The QPQ has been completed, and the source confirms that the hook is engaging. I found the DYK particularly interesting, though I suggest adding another hook for variety. Overall, it is well-prepared and ready for use. Pangalau (talk) 05:46, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
Exposure
The article mentions that a lot of those initially on top of the boat from exposure to the cold. Were they particularly vulnerable to exposure compared to other boats only because their clothes were wet and they didn't have blankets, or also because they were not completely isolated from water while on top of the keel of the boat, or for some other reason I haven't thought of? Maybe a bit obvious, but not so much so that I wouldn't expect it to be stated explicitly in the text. ~2025-31121-91 (talk) 21:11, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
GA review
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
- This review is transcluded from Talk:Titanic Collapsible Boat B/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: CoryGlee (talk · contribs)
Reviewer: Joko2468 (talk · contribs) 21:55, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
General comments
Taking this up, great work on the article-- it's well written and comprehensive. Added a U.S. copyright tag to one of the illustrations.
- Minor copy-edits, feel free to push back or amend (you can Ctrl+F for non-bolded words): Inspired in a Danish design --> Inspired by a Danish design; unable to do that --> unable to do so; collaborating with information for Lord's 1955 book --> contributing information for Lord's 1955 book
- If straightforwardly available, I think the lede should mention how many people survived by using the boat (surely part of the notability of a lifeboat is the number of lives it saved?). Are there only figures for the rescue boats? Maybe you could summarise the list, qualifying that these are merely the known survivors. You could also namecheck the most notable among them? Interested to hear your thoughts.
Randomised spot check of citations
22, 49, 24, 3, 1, 44, 40
- 22: Could you provide a quotation for this? Bancroft (2025: p.126).
- 49: This source seems to merely take its information from Encyclopedia Titanica-- personally I would be inclined to consider this a reliable source that can be used in its place (, I'm not seeing objections in these discussions). How come it isn't used outright? a and c aren't supported, while b seems like original research?
- 1: Doesn't seem to support that Collapsible B was on the port side, nor the materials it was made out of. Rest is good.
- 44: More Bancroft (2025) I'm afraid, p.125, I'm going to need both quotes.
- 40: Neither cited source appears to support that he was unofficially in charge of Collapsible B.
The spot check indicated a few sourcing issues, I'm going to repeat it again: 18, 8, 23, 42, 50, 39, 68
- 18: Does this mean Joughin was clinging on to the ropes? The source seems to say that he was allowed on top.
- 8: Could you provide a quotation supporting this? Wormstedt & Fitch (2011: p. 141).
- 23: Again, I can't get access to this my apologies. Winocour (2012: p.216).
- 50: And again, Medhurst (2023).
- 39: a isn't supported, a search for 1956 returns something irrelevant. It doesn't seem relevant to b either?
- 68: I'm not seeing anything about Collins having syphylis here?
I won't do any more, I'm conscious that I've asked you for six quotations. I'm concerned about the verification failures here, unfortunately I'm considering failing the nomination and recommending that you give the sourcing a once-over. Joko2468 (talk) 21:55, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- Hi Joko2468, thank you so much for taking up my first GA nomination. May I have a little time to try to fix those verification issues? If I may, please. If I am not able to give better verification to the concerns, I completely understand a failure. Please let me know if you allow me to do so and how much time I have for that. Many thanks again. CoryGlee 22:51, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- No worries and ofcourse, though I'd have to be confident that the sourcing was accurate for the rest of the article as well (this would entail further rounds of spotchecking). If you don't think the rest of the citations would pass those spotchecks then it may be best to renominate once you've gone over all of them. Joko2468 (talk) 22:55, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- And you'd typically have a week but I'm more than happy to extend that if need be. If the future spotchecks indicate that verification issues are present throughout the article then I think I'd have to fail it-- I don't think it would be reasonable to make you rework the sourcing under the pressure of a GA review and it'd be a lot for me to check. Joko2468 (talk) 23:03, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you, Joko, yes, as you can see, the detail of the Paul Paix I read it on a Paul Lee book, but it's self-published, so it cannot be added. I have trimmed there and added a reference for the Mackay-Bennett. I guess the rest is mostly verifiable. If not, may I ask you how much time must I wait to renominate it? Thank you so much! CoryGlee 23:06, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- You can renominate the article immediately if you think it would pass a review, or if you're confident you can fix the sourcing issues before it would be taken up (typically two weeks to several months in my experience). I think renominating immediately keeps your spot in the queue? Joko2468 (talk) 23:12, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- Hey, friend, Joko2468, I have addressed all of the citations above considering Encyclopedia Titanica a reliable source for Titanic info in some of them. Please tell me if there are more. I worked quickly, hehe. Points above (syntax, etc.)—I promise to address them tomorrow. CoryGlee 03:34, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
- Good work. It seems you might be under the apprehension that sources need to be readily accessible-- it's perfectly alright to use offline books, you just need to be able to provide the quotation when a reviewer asks (you can do this in the replies). I'll start some more spotchecking: 25, 56, 68, 38, 2, 27, 47
- Reviewed version
- 2: Doesn't support that the boats were made specifically from kapok.
- 27: Could you provide a quotation(s) for this? Ruffman (2013: pp.28-30).
- 47: Bancroft (2025) again unfortunately, p.123 please.
- I'm going to do one last spotcheck-- I'm afraid I'm going to have to be a little harsh if issues come up: 17, 80, 53, 84, 16, 76, 4
- 53: I only have access to the 2012 edition of Molony (2000) but a search for "Canada" doesn't seem support that O'Keefe served in Canada during WWI. A search for "1939" brings up no results. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
- 16: This doesn't mention a funnel nearly crushing Lightoller
- 76: This is good but both sources say that his suicide was ultimately brought about by a nervous breakdown-- I would mention this.
- With the further verification failures for 2, 16, and apparently 53 I'm going to have to fail this nomination. You can definitely get this past a GA review, you just need to do a once-over of the citations to ensure that everything matches up to the cited source. Best of luck with renominating. Joko2468 (talk) 08:10, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
- Hey, friend, Joko2468, I have addressed all of the citations above considering Encyclopedia Titanica a reliable source for Titanic info in some of them. Please tell me if there are more. I worked quickly, hehe. Points above (syntax, etc.)—I promise to address them tomorrow. CoryGlee 03:34, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
- You can renominate the article immediately if you think it would pass a review, or if you're confident you can fix the sourcing issues before it would be taken up (typically two weeks to several months in my experience). I think renominating immediately keeps your spot in the queue? Joko2468 (talk) 23:12, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you, Joko, yes, as you can see, the detail of the Paul Paix I read it on a Paul Lee book, but it's self-published, so it cannot be added. I have trimmed there and added a reference for the Mackay-Bennett. I guess the rest is mostly verifiable. If not, may I ask you how much time must I wait to renominate it? Thank you so much! CoryGlee 23:06, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
Checklist
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- It is reasonably well written.
- a (prose, spelling, grammar, and understandability):
b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
- a (prose, spelling, grammar, and understandability):
- It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.
- a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources):
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- a (reference section):
- It is broad in its coverage.
- a (major aspects): b (focused):
- a (major aspects):
- It follows the neutral point of view policy.
- Fair representation without bias:
- Fair representation without bias:
- It is stable.
- No edit wars, etc.:
- No edit wars, etc.:
- It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
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