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Requested move 7 May 2022
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The result of the move request was: Not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Vaulter 13:44, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Videotelephony → Video conference – This (and videoconferencing for the technology) is the most common expression for this kind of meeting (and this article needs to talk about more than the technology) and is much more common than videotelephony. (See edited beginning for frequency source.) The article was moved without a discussion and apparently without any research. Espoo (talk) 14:27, 7 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 晚安 (トークページ) 16:11, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- This is a contested technical request (permalink). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 17:27, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- I suggest that this should be discussed. The proposer says there was an undiscussed move, but I don't see any record of that, and the most frequent term in the ngram result that the proposer just added to the top of the article is different from what they are proposing. — BarrelProof (talk) 16:15, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- The undiscussed move/merge is mentioned on the talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Videoconferencing#Proposal_to_archive_and_rewrite_this_article of videoconferencing. And I already explained why the second most common Ngram result is what we want: Video conferencing for the technology and the more inclusive term video conference are the most common expressions for this kind of meeting, and this article needs to talk about more than the technology. --Espoo (talk) 06:17, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- The merge proposal template pointed to Talk:Videotelephony#Awkward distinctions and proposed rearrangement rather than that section. Ping @Beland, who performed the merge. Nardog (talk) 09:08, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- So there was apparently a merge, not a move, and it was discussed on the article's Talk page, and it was five or six years ago. That seems like a situation that should not be overturned by a "technical request" without a discussion. — BarrelProof (talk) 15:10, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- The undiscussed move/merge is mentioned on the talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Videoconferencing#Proposal_to_archive_and_rewrite_this_article of videoconferencing. And I already explained why the second most common Ngram result is what we want: Video conferencing for the technology and the more inclusive term video conference are the most common expressions for this kind of meeting, and this article needs to talk about more than the technology. --Espoo (talk) 06:17, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose/confused for now. Surely you don't call a one-to-one video call a video conference, do you? Nardog (talk) 09:08, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- I personally do, but not sure how common that is in practice. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:12, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- No, but unsure of best title. We're looking for an umbrella term, which is not necessarily the most common. The article itself says "Videoconferencing implies the use of this technology for a group or organizational meeting rather than for individuals, in a videoconference." and has a citation to back that up. So that term doesn't seem to naturally cover person-to-person smartphone calls. Does "videotelephony" cover video communication without the use of a telephone, such as with dedicated hardware or two web browsers? I'd say it's not a natural fit, but we still do call browser-to-browser communication a "video call". Perhaps something more generic like "video telecommunications"? Or less formal like "video call"? Even when you're participating a video conference you're still "on the call". -- Beland (talk) 17:13, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Video call is the only natural, precise choice Red Slash 20:56, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Video call as the best choice for readers to identify. 𝖿𝖾𝗆𝗂𝗇𝗂𝗌𝗍 (talk) Слава Україні! 11:31, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, since "conference" may imply group use rather than individual use. The current title seems fine as a general term that encompasses group-use systems, individual-use calling apps, "telepresence" variations, and systems that operate with a "shared space" rather than a "call". Also, "videoconferencing" is more common in the ngram results than "video conferencing". Also oppose Video call, since that seems to change and narrow the scope. — BarrelProof (talk) 17:44, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Strong oppose not all uses of videotelephony are for videoconferencing. Indeed, most of the time is is a one-on-one call, so not a conference. And who calls their Skype, Facetime call with their grandparent a conference?-- 65.92.247.17 (talk) 03:13, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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Requested move 9 July 2023
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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks 15:10, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
Videotelephony → Video call – Contemporary term, analogous to "Telephone call"; also supported in a previous related move request. fgnievinski (talk) 14:37, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Strong oppose This isn't about a phone call / video call, this is about the technology. Telephony is different from Telephone or Telephone call ;; similarly with videotelephony. -- 67.70.25.80 (talk) 23:27, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose We already have the articles Telephony and telephone call. This might just need a separate article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:04, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
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Further reading
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General
- Adeshina, Emmanuel. In-Person Visits Fade as Jails Set Up Video Units for Inmates and Families, The New York Times website, August 7, 2012, pg. A15 of the New York Edition.
- Bajaj, Vikas. Transparent Government, Via Webcams in India, The New York Times, July 18, 2011, pg.B3. Published online: July 17, 2011.
- Davis, Andrew W.; Weinstein, Ira M. The Business Case for Videoconferencing, Wainhouse Research, March 2005.
- Fairlie, Rik. Skype Puts Video Calls on Your TV, The New York Times, July 2, 2010.
- Hoffman, Jan. When Your Therapist Is Only a Click Away, The New York Times, September 25, 2011, pg. ST1. Also published September 23, 2011 online at www.nytimes.com.
- Miller, Hugh."Videophones: The Real Problem". Archived from the original on 2002-06-16. Retrieved 2002-06-16.
{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: bot: original URL status unknown (link), Department of Social Sciences, Nottingham Trent University, June 16, 2002. Discusses social issues related to videotelephony. - Perlroth, Nicole. Cameras May Open Up the Board Room to Hackers, The New York Times online, January 22, 2012. A version of this article appeared in print on January 23, 2012, on page B1 of the New York edition with the headline: "Conferences Via the Net Called Risky".
- ProAV Magazine. Being There[permanent dead link], ProAV Magazine, November 7, 2008.
- Saint Louis, Catherine. With Enough Bandwidth, Many Join The Band, The New York Times, January 10, 2012 (online), January 11, 2012 (in print, New York Edition, pg. A1). Retrieved online January 11, 2012. Synopsis: a look at the pros and cons of videotelephony used for private, individual, music lessons.
- Steinberg, Neil. Dude, Where's My Video Phone?, Forbes.com website, October 15, 2007
Environmental benefits
- Biello, David. Can Videoconferencing Replace Travel?, Scientific American, March 18, 2009.
- Coroama, V.C., et al. Effects of Internet-Based Multiple-Site Conferences on Greenhouse Gas Emissions Archived 2013-06-03 at the Wayback Machine, Telematics and Informatics, 2011, doi:10.1016/j.tele.2011.11.006
- Pachner, Joanna. The Next Best Thing to Being There, Toronto: The Globe and Mail, October 13, 2009.
Historical and technical
- Ebel, H. "Subjective Assessment of Picture Interference in the Videophone" in 4th International Symposium on Human Factors in Telephony, Bad Wiessee, Germany, September 23–27, 1968, Information Gatekeepers Inc., pp. 289–298.
- Fischer, K.; Ebel, H.; "Problems Of How To Position Users In Front Of The Videophone" in: 4th International Symposium on Human Factors in Telephony, Bad Wiessee, Germany, September 23–27, 1968, Information Gatekeepers Inc., pp. 269–282.
- Hall, A.D. "Experiments with Picturephone Service" in: Bell Laboratories RECORD, 1964, Vol. 42, pp. 114–120.
- Ives, Herbert E. Two-Way Television and a Pictorial Account of its Background in: Bell Laboratories Record, 1930, Vol. 8, pp. 399–404, and viewable online here Archived 2020-02-05 at the Wayback Machine.
- Ives, Herbert E. Picture Transmission and Television in: Bell Labs Quarterly, April 1932, Vol. 11, pp. 118–142.
- Jaur, Francis. "Usage Domestiques du Visiophone", Technologies de l'Information et Société, 2, 1990, pp. 89–102. (French)
- Schunack, Von Johannes; Maly, Rolf. Die Fernseh-Sprechtechnik in: Fernseh A.G.: 10 Jahre, Berlin: Hausmitteilungen Aus Forshunsg Und Betrieb Der Fernseh Aktiengellschaft, July 1939, pp. 138–143. (PDF, German)
- Schulte, Olaf A. "The Next Best Thing To Being There"—Ein Überblick Zu 25 Jahren Videokonferenzforschung (An Overview of 25 years of videoconferencing research) in: Medien & Kommunikations-wissenschaft, Baden-Baden: Hans-Bredow-Institut, April 2002, pp. 551–570 (PDF, German). -- Otr500 (talk) 12:36, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
Merge proposal
This article and history of videotelephony cover the same territory - the invention of the concept, ingenious technical innovation and practical experimental devices, the deployment of real products such as the Picturephone and Confravision, repeated market failure and unpopularity, and then - suddenly - the ubiquitous victory of modern videotelephony as a consequence of Moore's law, the Internet and mobile Internet access and the resulting development of the smartphone - and with it, the death of the videophone as a separate entity.
They really should be merged into a single article. — The Anome (talk) 00:18, 18 January 2026 (UTC)
- The Anome, this has gone about two months without objection, you should be good to carry out a merge if this is something you're still interested in. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:14, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
- I've removed the merge tags since this is inactive, it remains unopposed so anyone can carry out a merge if they wish. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 06:21, 3 April 2026 (UTC)