Talk:Vladimir Ivashko

The Soviet Union was not dissolved on August 29, 1991. Andres 00:58, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Why are there no spaces between some of the links and the text? vLaDsINgEr 02:56, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

It turned out to be a template problem, which arose after an anon user blanked half of the Template:Communist Party of the Soviet Union. I have fixed it, —dima/s-ko/ 03:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 16:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

It seems Valentyna Shevchenko was changed into Valentina Shevchenko which is a skier. 83.134.74.228 (talk) 06:31, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages. The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.

Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 15:17, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

It has been proposed in this section that Vladimir Ivashko be renamed and moved to Volodymyr IvashkoVolodymyr Ivashko. A bot will list this discussion on the requested moves current discussions subpage within an hour of this tag being placed. The discussion may be closed 7 days after being opened, if consensus has been reached (see the closing instructions). Please base arguments on article title policy, and keep discussion succinct and civil. Please use {{subst:requested move}}. Do not use {{requested move/dated}} directly. Links: current log • target log • direct move

Vladimir Ivashko → Volodymyr IvashkoVolodymyr Ivashko – Ivashko was an ethnic Ukrainian politician who, until his promotion to Deputy General Secretary of the USSR-wide party, had a party career almost exclusively within the Ukrainian Branch of the CPSU. Neither the fact that he was the Deputy General Secretary of the USSR-wise party (Jean Chrétien didn't magically become "John Christian" when he became leader of the Canada-wide Liberal Party, for example), nor the tendency of Cold War-era sources to use the Russian name forms for non-Russian Soviet people (e.g. Pyotr Luchinsky for Petru Lucinschi, or Ivan Kebin for Johannes Käbin) justify the Wikipedia article being titled using the Russian form of Ivashko's name. Glide08 (talk) 10:21, 21 January 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 07:08, 29 January 2026 (UTC)— Relisting. JoBo Gamer 21:52, 20 March 2026 (UTC)

Support – Per nom. Yue🌙 (talk) 19:25, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

Comment. Ngram suggests there is still a preference for "Vladimir Ivashko" in recent sources, so unless there is other data that suggests otherwise, "Volodymyr Ivashko" does not appear to be the common name. Mellk (talk) 19:44, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

Ngram also shows a peak for "Vladimir Shcherbitsky" over "Volodymyr Shcherbytsky" around the same time as the peak for "Vladimir Ivashko" over "Volodymyr Ivashko" in 1985-95, and his Article's title is still the Ukrainian form (Volodymyr Shcherbytsky).

Interestingly, this peak is also around the same time as a peak for "Petro Shelest" over "Pyotr Shelest" (whose Article is also in the Ukrainian form Petro Shelest), but the Russian form peaked during Shelest's tenure in office. Glide08 (talk) 11:00, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

The later (circa 2005-2020) preference for Vladimir Ivashko over Volodymyr Ivashko appears to be influenced by Wikipedia's initial choice of Vladimir: there's a concurrent preference for Volodymyr Shcherbytsky around the same time, and between the 1985-95 peak and the 2005-2020 preference there was a brief period where Volodymyr Ivashko was slightly preferred over Vladimir Ivashko. Glide08 (talk) 11:10, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:RGW. OP's nomination shows no evidence that the proposed title is predominantly used in English-language sources. 162 etc. (talk) 19:46, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
• Support; from Ivashko's biography, it is clear that he was an ethnic Ukrainian, whose personal name was, just like the personal names of thousands of other individuals (either ordinary citizens or political officials of the USSR), Russified. This was far from an exception, as it was a common practice to erase the identity of non-Russian citizens of the Soviet Union with the attempt to replace it with the dominant Russian identity. Russification (forcible imposition of the Culture of Russia and the Russian language upon all the people of non-Russian ethnic backgrounds) did not cease with the establishment of the Soviet Union; it merely became more subtle and concealed. This policy has always been especially widespread and aggressively implemented in Ukraine (Russification of Ukraine), including in the contemporary period. (LaMarmora1854 (talk) 09:12, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:RGW. Ukrainians may not (understandably, especially these days) appreciate their names being Russified, but we go by the reliable English-language sources. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:42, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
• Support google scholar has slightly more hits for the Ukrainian transliteration , —blindlynx 14:20, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

  Which is consistent with the slight favoring of the Ukrainian version in the 1995-2005 period (i.e. after the peak concurrent with the dissolution of the USSR and before the seemingly Wikipedia-influenced present day preference for Vladimir) Glide08 (talk) 15:50, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

  Some of the results include foreign-language sources, so we need a closer look at this. However, the difference seems to be marginal (and Ngram has it the other way around) so per WP:TITLECHANGES I do not see why we need to move it if it has been stable for a long time. Mellk (talk) 14:43, 6 February 2026 (UTC)

  Ngrams ends in 2022 and if you look at scholar since then it's 7 to 4 in favour of the Ukrainian spelling all in english—blindlynx 20:43, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

• Support per nomination, Yue, LaMarmora1854 and blindlynx. Volodymyr Ivashko was indeed an ethnic Ukrainian, born in Poltava and, while Ukrainian names (as well as ethnic names from other Soviet republics) used to be transliterated into English via their Russian forms, such transliteration is no longer practiced. Would also support Volodymyr Ivashko → delete to make room for move. A hatnote mentioning the WP:DABMENTION (* Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Ivashko, a Governor of Chernihiv Oblast) listed on the dab page will suffice. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:04, 2 February 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. This looks like a classic case of WP:RGW to me. Whatever the rights and wrongs of this history of Russia and Ukraine, including this individual in particular, it is not our job to "lead the way" on issues like this one. We change the name if and only if reliable sources first change the way they report the name.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:41, 6 February 2026 (UTC)
• Support per nomination, blindlynx, Yue and Roman Spinner. Hassan697 (talk) 16:02, 7 February 2026 (UTC) sock Girth Summit _(blether) 13:07, 8 February 2026 (UTC)
• Support per blindlynx. Looks like data supports the move, especially if we take into account contamination of the output by the Wikipedia title. Additionally, it is unclear why a Ukrainian official of the Ukrainian state and a member of a Ukrainian party should have a Russified name. Kelob2678 (talk) 12:11, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
  • Well, obviously because during Soviet times most names were Russified! -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:13, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

    The Ukrainian language was an official language of the Ukrainian SSR, so he likely had documents in Ukrainian. He was born in Poltava, where back then 75% of the population spoke Ukrainian, so it is likely that his native language was Ukrainian. Ivashko was Soviet Ukrainian, but not Russian. Therefore, there is no need to Russify his name. Kelob2678 (talk) 16:14, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

    As has already been pointed out, we use what reliable English-language sources use, not what we think the name should be. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:12, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

Originally closed as: move (non-admin closure) by JoBo Gamer 20:05, 10 March 2026 (UTC). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

@JoBoGamer You did not relist the discussion. 1isall (talk | contribs) 21:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

they did, I just accidentally removed the relist when I fixed (for RMCD bot) the reopening of the discussion. I've put the relist in the correct section place. Sorry about that! Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 22:33, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

• @JoBoGamer: This discussion elicited multiple "Support" and "Oppose" votes, with strong arguments on both sides. A rationale beyond the one-word "Moved" would be appreciated by all. 162 etc. (talk) 18:20, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

  I chose to close on the conclusion that both sides had arguments with opposing agreeing on COMMONNAME and supporting having data to support including references and more commonly searched terms. Both sides had equally strong arguments however opposing did only seem to mention opposing on the bases of evidence provided by the OP. With data provided by other users supporting, I believe that users are slightly more in favour of supporting, this also seen by the rating of 5 - 3 in terms of supporting and against.

  This is purely my view and conclusion and if Wikipedians wish to relist or reopen the discussion to oppose the move, im more than whilling to relist. JoBo Gamer 23:46, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

Sorry to expand the scope of this discussion, but I am concerned in general about your closes. Terseness is not in and of itself unobjectionable, but when that leads to questions of how you arrived at your decision above and consequent reopening of closes like this and a requested endorsement of mine to clarify the logic here, perhaps, wherein consensus is not crystal-clear, a little explanation might be forthcoming.

Here, I urge you to either amend your closing statement or to reopen the discussion. Iseult ^Δx talk to me 02:09, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

@JoBoGamer: as someone who never participated in the RM, I'd advise reopening it and not closing it for a second time Whyiseverythingalreadyused (t · c · he/him) 11:50, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

@JoBoGamer I'm inclined to agree with the above statements. It's best practice to leave closure of move requests where the consensus is not overwhelmingly in favour of or in opposition to the move to admins or experienced non-admins (some people might go so far as to only support admins closing such requests). I strongly recommend reopening the above discussion if you don't want to find yourself at move review. Aydoh8^{[what have I done now?]} 11:59, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

(involved) I also would support a relist in this case. 162 etc. (talk) 17:15, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

See also: User talk:JoBoGamer § Talk:Vladimir Ivashko. 1isall (talk | contribs) 21:34, 20 March 2026 (UTC)