User talk:ADWNSW

Hello, I will try to help. :) First, I assume you're talking about film score? WikiProject Films is a WikiProject that identifies all articles directly related to film (which numbers over 54,000) within its scope. This does not translate into all these articles being of high quality, unfortunately, since we do not have the manpower nor expertise for all these articles. (See our better articles at our spotlight page.) I looked at the page history to find any primary contributors, but it does not seem like anyone has attempted a concerted effort to improve the article. It would be terrific to have someone familiar with the subject matter working the article! Do you feel like you have sufficient familiarity with writing Wikipedia articles to tackle this topic? I'm happy to help explain tasks like citing references. You can also start a discussion at WT:FILM asking other editors if they are interested in collaborating. If you are interested, I would also like to invite you to join WikiProject Films. :) See the invitation below. —Erik (talk • contrib) 14:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I remember Wikipedia:WikiProject Film Music since I initiated discussion about merging it into WikiProject Films. It does not appear, though, that any actual merging was done. I assume this was due to the lack of interest since I can't recall any major editor off the top of my head that has been seriously involved in articles related to film music. You can look at the activity of the participants by clicking on "contribs" next to their names; most editors are not actively editing. The only active editor from that list is Melodia (talk · contribs), who you could message about collaborating on articles like film score. I think it would be neat to have a "Film music task force" co-joined by WikiProject Films, WikiProject Composers, and WikiProject Albums. Maybe you could request the initiation of such a task force and petition people at all three WikiProjects to see if there is any fresh blood that is interested in joining. I am one of seven coordinators at WikiProject Films, but none of us are bestowed with power. We work behind-the-scenes. For example, if you started the task force successfully, we'll make sure that the force is properly identified on all the relevant pages and templates. So you could make such a request now, but I personally suggest starting slowly. Explore categories like Category:Film scores, Category:Film soundtracks, and Category:Film score composers to see what exactly is out there. Find other editors to work with on a light level, and if you feel like there could be a serious endeavor undertaken toward film music articles, request a possible task force. As for joining WikiProject Films, signing up is really a formality. We have fairly active discussions on the main talk page and reviews of different types of articles and guidelines that can be followed (though we lack any for film score articles! help us out). —Erik (talk • contrib) 06:06, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Hello, noticed your edit to the user page! Here is a useful link I noticed a week ago: Wikipedia:User page design center. I have not explored it yet, but I thought maybe you could use it. —Erik (talk • contrib) 19:26, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

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The September 2009 project coordinator election has begun. We will be selecting seven coordinators from a pool of candidates to serve for the next six months; members can still nominate themselves if interested. Please vote here by September 28! This message has been sent as you are registered as an active member of the project. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 01:27, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

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The October 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. The newsletter includes details on the current membership roll call to readd your name from the inactive list to the active list. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 05:46, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

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The September 2010 project coordinator election has begun. We will be selecting five coordinators from a pool of candidates to serve for the next year; members are invited to nominate themselves if interested. Please do not vote yet, voting will begin on September 15. This message has been sent as you are registered as an active member of the project. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 03:41, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

The September 2010 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 04:17, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

The Octoberr 2010 issue of the WikiProject Film newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 00:38, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

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The June 2011 issue of the WikiProject Film newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. We are also seeking new members to assist in writing the newsletter, if interested please leave a note on the Outreach department's talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 04:28, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

The July 2011 issue of the WikiProject Film newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. We are also seeking new members to assist in writing the newsletter, if interested please leave a note on the Outreach department's talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 03:29, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

The September 2011 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. —Erik (talk | contribs) 16:35, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Voting for WikiProject Film's October 2011 project coordinator election has started. We are aiming to select five coordinators to serve for the next year; please take a moment from editing to vote here by October 29! Erik (talk | contribs) 11:55, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

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The February 2011 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. —Peppage (talk | contribs) 22:35, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

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Hello! Thank you for all the work you've done with articles about silent films on Wikipedia. I invite you to consider joining the Silent films task force, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of silent films. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks! Fortdj33 (talk) 18:55, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Greetings!

The AfroCine Project invites you to join us again this October and November, the two months which are dedicated to improving content about the cinema of Africa, the Caribbean, and the diaspora.

Join us in this exciting venture, by helping to create or expand contents in Wikimedia projects which are connected to this scope. Kindly list your username under the participants section to indicate your interest in participating in this contest.

We would be awarding prizes to different categories of winners:

• Overall winner
  • 1st - $500
  • 2nd - $200
  • 3rd - $100
• Diversity winner - $100
• Gender-gap fillers - $100
• Language Winners - up to $100*

We would be adding additional categories as the contest progresses, along with local prizes from affiliates in your countries. For further information about the contest, the prizes and how to participate, please visit the contest page here. For further inquiries, please leave comments on the contest talkpage or on the main project talkpage. Looking forward to your participation.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 19:22, 22nd September 2020 (UTC)

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Greetings,

Thank you very much for participating in the Months of African Cinema global contest/edit-a-thon, and thank you for your contributions so far.

It is already the middle of the contest and a lot have been achieved already! We have been able to get over 1,500 articles created in over fifteen (15) languages! This would not have been possible without your support and we want to thank you. If you have not yet listed your name as a participant in the contest page please do so.

Please make sure to list the articles you have created or improved in the article achievements' section of the contest page, so that they can be easily tracked. To be able to claim prizes, please also ensure to list your articles on the users by articles page. We would be awarding prizes to different categories of winners:

• Overall winner
  • 1st - $500
  • 2nd - $200
  • 3rd - $100
• Diversity winner - $100
• Gender-gap filler - $100
• Language Winners - up to $100*

We are very excited about what has been achieved so far, but your contributions are still needed to further exceed all expectations! Let’s create more articles before the end of this contest, which is this November!!!

Thank you once again for being part of this global event! --Jamie Tubers (talk) 10:30, 06 November 2020 (UTC)

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Greetings!

The AfroCine Project core team is happy to inform you that the Months of African Cinema Contest is happening again this year in October and November. We invite Wikipedians all over the world to join in improving content related to African cinema on Wikipedia!

Please list your username under the participants’ section of the contest page to indicate your interest in participating in this contest. The term "African" in the context of this contest, includes people of African descent from all over the world, which includes the diaspora and the Caribbean.

The following prizes would be recognized at the end of the contest:

• Overall winner
  • 1st - $500
  • 2nd - $200
  • 3rd - $100
• Diversity winner - $100
• Gender-gap fillers - $100
• Language Winners - up to $100*

Also look out for local prizes from affiliates in your countries or communities! For further information about the contest, the prizes and how to participate, please visit the contest page here. For further inquiries, please leave comments on the contest talkpage or on the main project talkpage. We look forward to your participation.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 23:20, 30th September 2021 (UTC)

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Greetings,

It is already past the middle of the contest and we are really excited about the Months of African Contest 2021 achievements so far! We want to extend our sincere gratitude for the time and energy you have invested. If you have not yet participated in the contest, it is not too late to do it. Please list your username as a participant on the contest’s main page.

Please remember to list the articles you have improved or created on the article achievements' section of the contest page so they can be tracked. In order to win prizes, be sure to also list your article in the users by articles. Please note that your articles must be present in both the article achievement section on the main contest page, as well as on the Users By Articles page for you to qualify for a prize.

We would be awarding prizes to different categories of winners:

• Overall winner
  • 1st - $500
  • 2nd - $200
  • 3rd - $100
• Diversity winner - $100
• Gender-gap filler - $100
• Language Winners - up to $100*

Thank you once again for your valued participation! --Jamie Tubers (talk) 18:50, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you for your recent contributions, such as Fullerton Train Museum. Getting started on Wikipedia and creating new articles can be tricky; you might like to try creating a draft of your article in the Wikipedia draftspace or within your userspace first. Creating a draft allows you the time and space to fix any issues, make updates, and add or expand content, and with less risk of having things deleted. You can even ask for feedback on your work if you need help. Make sure that you read through the Wikipedia help pages available to you, including Your First Article and the Tutorial. You might also like to try using the Article Wizard, which has an option to create a draft version. Thank you.  Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 05:37, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

This was no longer a draft. I took the time to fill it out with most of the appropriate information. We'll make revisions, but the article was solid. ADWNSW (talk) 16:37, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

@ADWNSW: Who is "we"? Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 18:50, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to change the title of a page by cutting its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into Fullerton Train Museum. This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases for registered users, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page (the tab may be hidden in a dropdown menu for you). This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Wikipedia:Requests for history merge. Thank you. Tenshi! (Talk page) 18:45, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

This page is expected because of other outside concerns. This museum has materials and cars of extreme historical significance and interest to the international railroad community. We get visitors from around the country and the world. Removing this page would be damaging. I am adding citations as quickly as I can. Please be patient. ADWNSW (talk) 19:01, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

@ADWNSW: Please read WP:COI. What this means is that since you're associated with the musuem, you can't edit articles about it directly. You have to use the Articles for Creation process and the Edit Request Wizard to request changes Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 19:06, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Also, is this account shared with multiple people? Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 19:06, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

This is not shared with multiple people, but the resulting information was a collaborative effort. I created the page because the person who wished to created was having problems accessing his account due to some kind of IP issue, so I took the incentive to create the page. I am a member of the board and I maintain some of the museum's technology and internet presences. I took the incentive to create the page because no one had thought about it in the almost 25 years of existence, and since many on the board are over 70 years old, that's not a huge surprise. However, that said, this rule about no connection to an organization was not involved when I was a wikipedia editor 20 years ago, and the condition is virtually unattainable. You will note that nothing on the page is opinion or fluff - strictly facts. I have also included references. As I have noted previously, removing the page for creation technicalities would, in my opinion, be damaging. I have added all the citations I was gathering at the time the proposal to delete was published and have added them accordingly. Please reconsider your objections and actions. This is a small, non-profit run by volunteers for the love of the railroad community, the Orange County California community, and particularly the children of the community who come every week to visit the museum.. ADWNSW (talk) 19:57, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia has changed a lot in 20 years. This is probably one of the most useful websites on the internet, and our articles directly feed the AI tools you see today. However, our growth has also presented us with unique challenges, such as people attempting to promote their businesses which fail our notability guidelines. These articles are often promotional, and degrade the neutrality of the encyclopedia, slowly eroding people's trust in us as a result. Organizations like Wiki PR and Orangemoody led to the creation of the WP:COI and WP:PAID policies, which prevents paid editors and editors who have conflicts of interest from editing affected articles directly. Our notablity policy and its interpretation has also got a lot stricter, and articles that could be created 10 years ago don't stand a chance today. Also, removing the page wouldn't really be damaging in the grand scheme of things. If any of these are too confusing, feel free to ask! Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 20:11, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

The article Fullerton Train Museum has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Fails WP:GNG, likely LLM-generated. WP:BEFORE leads to no sources which confer notability and are reliable sources.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Tenshi! (Talk page) 18:41, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

This museum has materials and cars of extreme historical significance and interest to the international railroad community. We get visitors from around the country and the world. Removing this page would be damaging. I am adding citations as quickly as I can. Please be patient. ADWNSW (talk) 19:00, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Hello, ADWNSW. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Fullerton Train Museum, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:

• avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
• propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the Edit Request Wizard), including links or details of reliable sources that support your suggestions;
• disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest § How to disclose a COI);
• avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam § External link spamming);
• do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicizing, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Tenshi! (Talk page) 19:03, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

I am a member of the board of the SCRPA and was unaware I needed to disclose this. I was a wikipedia editor in the early 200s and we did not have such constraints, being an open source repository of information. As such, however, I have adhered strictly to the facts surrounding the organization and have not added any opinion or other extraneous and unrelated prose. I created the page because - after 24 + years of existence - not one had bothered to create a page for the museum. This museum is a 501(c)(3) non-profit, volunteer-driven museum of historical significance, containing many cars and artifacts which no longer exist elsewhere and are of international notoriety. Penalizing this page for what appears to be minor technicalities is not what Wikipedia once stood for as a repository of knowledge. I hope you will reconsider these actions. ADWNSW (talk) 19:34, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Nobody is "penalizing" the article and our notability guidelines are not a "minor technicalit[y]". We only allow pages that are about organizations that have received significant coverage in several secondary, independent, reliable sources. We do not allow organizations, no matter how worthy their mission, to use Wikipedia as a webhost or for advertising purposes. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:43, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Also, @ChildrenWillListen has been nothing but polite to you. I suggest you apologize for the personal attacks that you made against them at ANI. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:45, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Fullerton Train Museum is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fullerton Train Museum until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Tenshi! (Talk page) 20:06, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

I was edit conflicted in trying to respond to you at WP:AN/I regarding your claims of User:ChildrenWillListen and User:Tenshi_Hinanawi attacking you. Here's the response...

The only thing of relevance to this noticeboard is that you're claiming that User:ChildrenWillListen and User:Tenshi_Hinanawi are attacking you. Please provide evidence, preferably in the form of diffs demonstrating what you perceive to be attacks upon you. From what I see, Tenshi proposed a deletion of the article and notified you, as they should . This does not constitute an attack. Tenshi notified you via {{uw-c&pmove}} about copy and paste moves . This is not an attack. Tenshi notified you via {{uw-coi}} regarding conflict of interest issues, which is appropriate given your position . This is not an attack. Tenshi nominated the article for deletion and properly notified you . This is not an attack. ChildenWillListen asked you "Who is 'we'?" . This is not an attack. ChildrenWillListen discussed conflict of interest issues with you . This is not an attack. ChildrenWillListen asked you if your account is shared with other people . This is not an attack. ChildrenWillListen tried to explain to you how things on Wikpedia have changed over the years . This is not an attack. Forgive me, but I'm just not seeing any attack here. Could you please explain? --Hammersoft (talk) 20:46, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Looking at ADWNSW's edit history, they're most certainly aware that PROD and AFD are not attacks. See Special:Diff/267034843. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:00, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

I wished to reply in the original thread by I see it's closed without resolution. I will reply here. Perhaps attack is a bit strong, but I was unable to find a more appropriate proper term, and attack can mean strong criticism or act in such a manner. One specific incident I can point to is that ChildrenWillListen has stated I am a paid contributor. I am nothing of the sort. The museum is operated on a strictly volunteer basis. I am a volunteer. I have spent several of my own personal time creating the page, enhancing the page, and defending the page, without any compensation whatsoever. I do this for the community and to support my fellow volunteers. I don't even care for trains, to be open.

I have also been accused of creating the page for advertising purposes, which is not the case at all. The museum is of international interest to the railroad community and contains many cars which are the last of their kind. It is non-profit entity, operated by a non-profit group, that exists solely to maintain and restore these endangered artifacts and make them available to the public - without charge - for education. If this page constitutes advertising, then every other railroad museum listed on this page List of railway museums#United States needs their pages deleted, especially since many are FOR profit.

I apologize if accusations of this sort are not considered attacks and I willingly amend the word. But these are unreasonable accusations and all I was trying to do by creating this page is support a non-profit educational entity that serves a community, children, and tens of thousands of visitors per year. ADWNSW (talk) 21:06, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

• Nobody is making "unreasonable accusations". ChildrenWillListen never said you were a PAID editor; they explained why we have the PAID and COI editing policies. Tenshi! left you a warning about PAID editing before you disclosed your conflict of interest as a member of the board of the organization. ChildrenWillListen was nothing but polite with you.
• As you should know, the statement that [t]he museum is of international interest to the railroad community and contains many cars which are the last of their kind^{[citation needed]} is not itself sufficient to establish the notability of an organization. We need significant coverage in reliable sources.
• RE If this page constitutes advertising, then every other railroad museum listed on this page List of railway museums#United States needs their pages deleted, especially since many are FOR profit: I point you to your own comment from 2009: Notion that there are other similar articles is not a valid argument; those others need to be viewed individually, and many of them should probably be removed as well.

voorts (talk/contributions) 21:15, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

While I appreciate the reference to my comments about the other museums, the point of it was lost. Those other should NOT be removed, for any reason. Museums, paid or not, serve an educational and historical purpose. They must remain for the good of all peoples. And, as such, museums should have a place in a universal online repository of knowledge, which was the purpose of Wikipedia at one point. Hopefully still is. Any and all museums that serve as a repository and a location of education and history should have a presence in such entities as Wikipedia, no matter how large of small, because they, too, fulfill what Wikipedia stood for. Just because the Fullerton Train Museum is small compared to other museums does not minimize its affect on those visiting, those who wish to visit, and those who happened upon it. It has the last of many cars and items of which the others were destroyed by neglect or ignorance. No museum should also be removed or censored for its location, size, topic, or otherwise. That may be getting lost in the adherence to protocol. ADWNSW (talk) 21:37, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Any and all museums that serve as a repository and a location of education and history should have a presence in such entities as Wikipedia, no matter how large of small, because they, too, fulfill what Wikipedia stood for. No, they should not. That is not what the consensus of the Wikipedia community is. See WP:NONPROFIT. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:50, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

I wanted to start another section to address issues you raised at WP:AN/I. First, placing an article for deletion via either WP:PROD or WP:AFD isn't a 'threat'. Potential deletion is a critical part of the project that enables us to curate our content and ensure we maintain a high degree of appropriate content. Taking a reductio ad absurdum approach to this; imagine, if you will, if your museum didn't have the potential to curate your content. A visitor could bring their HO scale railroad engine, claim it was famous and that you must include it in your collection, then place it in a public display case and then you would be powerless to remove it from display. Please don't think of potential deletion as a 'threat'. It most emphatically isn't.

You said that it is "important to ensure the museum has a presence throughout the internet". Maybe so, but that is of no relevance to Wikipedia as Wikipedia doesn't care if you have a presence on the Internet or not. Wikipedia is not a web host nor are we an advertising platform.

While you do not strictly fit the definition of a paid editor, you do most emphatically have a direct conflict of interest. As such, you need to follow our conflict of interest guideline. Others have commented about this above. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:55, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

As noted above, this is not advertising. The museum is a non-profit entity that does not charge admittance. It both serves communities throughout Southern California and internationally as well, given the range of visitors it receives.

I have commented in several locations that I was unaware of the newer rules, and had I been trying to bolster a for-profit corporation through advertising here, I would completely accept the criticism. However, my goal is the betterment of an historical entity operated by people putting a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into restoring and maintaining precious endangered artifacts so that children, enthusiasts, and normal everyday people can experience the history of rail travel and freight in the U.S. That is the sole reason I am bothered by the accusations and the proposals of deletion. I don't care about myself, but I care about history and this museum. If there is something further I need to do to go through the right channels, I am willing to do it. But the train museum exists, it will exist for decades, it will welcome tens of thousands a year free of charge, so I am concerned that the museum is being viewed incorrectly through error I made creating an informational page. ADWNSW (talk) 21:13, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Yes, it is promotion. jlwoodwa (talk) 21:30, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

By that definition, all museum pages, all art pages, all book pages, all film pages, all organization pages (Red Cross, World Central Kitchen, etc), are all also advertising, just as much as Disney, Apple, Telsa pages are. I respectfully disagree. Museums and places of cultural significance are "awareness" not "advertising." ADWNSW (talk) 21:41, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

I am not talking about the subjects themselves, I am talking about Wikipedia articles. An article's purpose is not to "ensure [its subject] has a presence throughout the internet", but to summarize what has been said in independent reliable sources. jlwoodwa (talk) 21:50, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

This is long, but I sincerely hope you read it to save the article.

Ok look, NOBODY is accusing you of anything. Please drop this line of discussion. This has been pointed out to you multiple times now. Drop it. There is no accusation. Please, stop it. Claiming people are accusing you or attacking you without providing evidence of it is an attack itself. Please see WP:NPA#WHATIS where it says, "Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence. Serious accusations require serious evidence, usually in the form of diffs and links." Myself and at least one other person have reviewed what has been communicated to you and concluded that there are no attacks upon you. Continuing to maintain this approach is harming the very reason you are here. Working in collaboration with people is not going to be enhanced by continuing to claim they are attacking you when they aren't.

As to the museum itself; this is going to be blunt, but please understand I need to do this so you begin to understand the problem. It does not matter that the museum is a non-profit. Being a non-profit doesn't grant notability. Serving local or international communities doesn't grant notability. That a number of people have poured their blood, sweat, and tears into the museum doesn't grant notability. That the museum is an historical entity doesn't grant notability. That the museum possesses one-of-a-kind, precious endangered artifacts doesn't grant notability. None of that matters. Literally none of that matters.

Ok so read this carefully. If you do and you follow it carefully, you have a chance of saving this article. The metric that we go by here is this: Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) and/or the general notability guideline. THAT is what matters. Critically important to this is that we must has multiple, reliable, non-self published, secondary sources that are independent of the subject that contain significant coverage of the museum. Wooo. That's a lot to digest, yeah?

Alright, if you don't have the desire to read all of that, let me give you a quick example. On the article you've made four citations to https://utahrails.net. The problem is this site is a self-published source written by Don Stack. Unless he's recognized as some expert in the field, it's highly unlikely we would ever use his site as a means to sustain notability. We might use it to verify particular facts (might), but it has no relevance to notability. If instead there were an article published by the Los Angeles Times that discussed the museum in depth (again, see WP:SIGCOV), that would go a LONG way to help sustain claims of notability. The Los Angeles Times has a long history of publishing stories that are overseen by an editorial team with content editing, copy editing, fact verification and more. In fact, we even have a specific entry for the Los Angeles Times on our perennial sources list at WP:LATIMES. I hope I've made the difference here clear. If not, let me know and I'll take another crack at it. That's what Tenshi is referring to in the nomination for deletion.

So, what to do? You have a strong desire for this page to be available on Wikipedia. I recommend you do two things; one, consent to this article being moved to draft space where you can work on it to develop into an article ready for publication to the actual encyclopedia (what we call 'mainspace'). That way, there won't be any pressure to get it done fast. If you don't edit it for six months, it will be deleted, but there won't be any nomination to delete it. You'll have breathing room. Secondly, you need to find sources like non-local newspapers that discuss the museum. Other sources can include books, syndicated radio shows, and more. Finding those sources can go a long way to supporting notability of the museum. That's your pathway forward. I hope you take it. I'll be happy to help you along the way, just let me know. If you want to move it to draft space to get that breathing room, just let me know and I'll handle it. --Hammersoft (talk) 21:51, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Yes, there is a strong desire to have this page. This is a working educational center with many selfless volunteers and tens of thousands of visitors, and with a great relationship with many of our fellow rail museums. I want to stress, none of this is for my own self interest. I, myself, walked away from Wikipedia over a decade ago and use it sparingly. And nowhere did I include anyone's name in the organization, including mine, on purpose. It's the the museum.

I saw a disturbing reply that intimates Wikipedia is no longer the repository of knowledge. My view has always been that points of interest, particularly museums and other centers of learning, are of prime importance. Just as Wikipedia should be. Preserving human history and scientific knowledge should be all our objectives. I work the museum because it's a museum, not because it's trains. Of all the people there, I have the least interest in the trains and the cars. I am there to preserve what they have and keep it free to all comers. I work on restoration, on enhancement, and on technical concerns.

It's particularly troubling that a museum would be removed from Wikipedia because "it doesn't have notoriety" and being told that's all that matters now. Not that it is the guardian of precious items of which no other exist anymore in the world. Not that it welcomes all people, regardless of age, background, location, or status, in order to educate them about a vital part of everyday life that has virtually disappears. Now it's about "were you mentioned in this or that magazine." It think something important and basic about Wikipedia has been lost. I rather doubt it will ever return. A museum is a museum, regardless of cost or footprint. We remove them from the record, we lose those artifacts forever.

That said, I will do what I can to attain this status required for the museum. That's all that's important in this: to ensure a living museum of rare items remains in the public eye. If that requires it be moves into a sandbox, so be it, and I will do whatever research is required to get it back out in the open. Seeing any museum hidden from the public would be truly depressing.

How do we proceed? ADWNSW (talk) 22:21, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

No one is acting to censor or conceal your museum from public view or the entire internet- of which Wikipedia is but one part. Wikipedia does not and cannot document every good thing in the world. Wikipedia does not merely preserve or document, it is essentially a content aggregator, summarizing what others have already said about a topic.

Working to keep the museum "in the public eye" is just a promotional purpose. I don't doubt for a second that your museum is a good place- but it's not our role to help you publicize it.

If you want to work to change guidelines so that just existing warrants inclusion, you are free to do so. 331dot (talk) 23:02, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

I saw a disturbing reply that intimates Wikipedia is no longer the repository of knowledge.

Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.

It's particularly troubling that a museum would be removed from Wikipedia because "it doesn’t have notoriety" and being told that's all that matters now.

Wikipedia has well-defined rules of what articles it may include. So yes, that’s all that matters. You will need to understand this point and stop insisting your organisation, no matter how noble it is, has the right to be on Wikipedia. Northern Moonlight 23:06, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

The existence of the notability guideline predates your editing here by two years, having first been created in 2006. That a given thing needs to have some notability as been a requirement for 19 years. No encyclopedia, whether it be Wikipedia, Britannica, World Book Encyclopedia, Columbia Encyclopedia, or any other encyclopedia has, will, or even can be the repository of all knowledge. Let me try to lay this out for you in example form. There's a tree outside my window. It's a provable fact that it exists. It's been in existence for longer than your museum. Given its species, there's a fair chance it will outlive plenty of museums in the world. I could type the genome of the tree, make assessments about its age, write extensively about the things in its immediate environs that it has been present for in its life, draw conclusions about what trees nearby are its descendants, I can take pictures of it and upload them here, and write a rather extensive article about this tree, with a bit of work. That it exists and that I can write extensively about it is indisputable. We will of course never include an article in the encyclopedia about this tree. It is wholly unremarkable. That is an example of one extreme end of knowledge that will never be in an encyclopedia. At the other end of the spectrum of notability are things like Earth, Sun, Indian Ocean, Oil, and Forest. Somewhere between those two extremes we have to draw a line where articles are or are not included in the project. Does that example make sense? I hope that highlights the need for notability requirements. If not, let me know.

ANY significant museum in the world is going to have similar standards for inclusion/exclusion from their museum for its exhibits. This is an entirely logical and necessary part of the intellectual process of developing a museum or an encyclopedia. In fact, that we hold to these standards means we are doing our job and doing it well. If your museum contained only wholly unremarkable artifacts of train history, how long do you think it would remain open? You are doing the same job with your museum in regards to notability that we are doing with Wikipedia. You yourself have noted the rarity of your exhibits as a reason as to why they are important. I.e., you are making the exact same case as we do here with our notability guidelines. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAS BEEN LOST.

Just because a place is a museum doesn't mean it automatically gets included here. There are a dizzying array of museums around the world that are wholly unremarkable. Did you know there's an antique fan museum? There's lots of such obscure, non-notable museums.

As to how we proceed; are you ok with me moving the article to draft space? That's our first step. --Hammersoft (talk) 23:17, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Yes. Before you do, I discovered I had not published my LA Times citations. Please review, and if more is required, proceed to move the page and I will garner more of the museum's media coverage. ADWNSW (talk) 23:44, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

I have copied the content of Fullerton Train Museum and placed it at Draft:Fullerton Train Museum. The AfD on the mainspace article is very likely to conclude to merge the content into Fullerton Transportation Center. That means that some (not all, likely) of the content will be included in that article, and Fullerton Train Museum will be turned into a redirect. That means anyone looking for Fullerton Train Museum on the project will instead be directed to the transportation center article instead. In the meantime, you can continue to develop Draft:Fullerton Train Museum without the pressure of an impending closure of the AfD. If you have questions, let me know. You can use the {{ping}} template to get my attention. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:22, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

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