User talk:BBrooksDallas

Camp Perry (WA) Football

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Please help me with... Hello: Can someone respond to my new entry entitle 1918 Camp Perry (WA) football team? I think that it meets all of your criteria and I have three more games and a few other factoids to add once I know the page is OK. Thank you. BBrooksDallas (talk) 03:20, 13 August 2020 (UTC) BBrooksDallas (talk) 03:20, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

This request seems to be about content rather than how to edit Wikipedia, hence is inappropriate. If you want to add your new information to an existing article, you can discuss it on the talk page of that article or be bold and add it. If you want to create a new article, use the article wizard and submit it for review. Your user talk page is not a good place to post draft content. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't mean to be harsh in that treatment above, so let me appeal to you on a different issue. I looked at what you did for Los Angeles Wildcats (AFL) and think your addition is just fine, but it now makes the source for the rest of the paragraph look terrible! Do you think you can use your newpapers.com subscription to do similar sourcing for the other games that are mentioned? I'm not a subscriber, but I'm guessing you are and taking you at your word that the articles you cite are about the right team, location, date, etc. Thanks. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:50, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello: I have added in the references for the other LA Wildcats games as you asked, so I think that page looks much better now. I have also completed and published the page called "1918 Camp Perry (WA) football team." I think it looks just right, and is similar to other pages for similar kinds of teams in the formatting. Are you OK with it? When will you officially publish it? Three of the references are from the Seattle Times and it required me to pay for a brief archives subscription, but there is no way to "clip" the article as can be done with the Newspapers.com account. Thank you.

BBrooksDallas, nice work on those college football articles. Take a look at me edits to 1930 Jefferson Law School Lawyers football team and Draft:1931 Jefferson University Bobcats football team for formatting. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 21:43, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

BBrooksDallas, I move the 1918 Camp Perry football team from draft to mainspace. I was just looking at the 1933 Simmons Cowboys football team, which I created last year. Their first game was against the "Dixie Rebels". One the sources I pulled indicated that they competed as the Jefferson University Rangers in 1932. I think it would he helpful to create articles for Jefferson University and Dixie University. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:33, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Fantastic -- thank you, thank you! My grandfather served in the Navy at Bremerton in 1918 during WWI, so Camp Perry would have been the team he rooted for. As for the Jefferson/Dixie story -- it really is a fascinating story. I have written published Wiki pages for the 1930 and 1931 Jefferson teams, and I've submitted the 1932 Jefferson Rangers team for review, so if you can find it, it's ready to be published. I've already drafted the next two years when the Jefferson team switched to Dixie University Rebels (they were basically a free agent football team looking for a college to play for, strange as that may seem). As soon as the '32 Jefferson story is published, I'll submit the '33 Dixie football season and then the final one, the '34 Dixie football season. I am also drafting articles on Dixie U., Jefferson U., and three or four other topics that are all referred to in these five seasons. Then, once these are all published, they can be linked to pages like Simmons, Texas Tech, and others just like you described. Yes, Jefferson and Simmons played in 1932, a 20-0 Rangers win, and then the next season, now as Dixie, the Rebels lost to Simmons 17-6. From the 1931 Jefferson page, you'll see that Jefferson (playing as the Bobcats) beat the Simmons freshmen team, 7-6, for their only win that season. Once you see all of these pages flowing from one to the next, you'll see how crazy of a story this was. Thank you again!! BBrooksDallas (talk) 04:01, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:1933 Dixie University Rebels football team, from its old location at User:BBrooksDallas/sandbox/1933 Dixie University Rebels football teamUser:BBrooksDallas/sandbox/1933 Dixie University Rebels football team. This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. - Rich^T|C|E-Mail 16:46, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

I've pushed this to the main space at 1933 Dixie Rebels football team. If and when you start work on the 1932 and 1934 articles, please make note of the formatting changes I made to the 1933 article and reflect them in the new article. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 01:44, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I've already submitted 1932 Jefferson University Rangers football team in the Draft/Review Space. It should be there -- can you not find it? "Draft:1932 Jefferson University Rangers football team." I'm wrapping up 1934 Dixie tonight, tomorrow. Thank you. BBrooksDallas (talk) 02:06, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Found it and moved it to the main space at 1932 Jefferson Rangers football team. I think would be a good idea to also create an article at Dixie Rebels football as an overview of the whole program from 1930 to 1934. Dixie Rebels football is currently a redirect that I created in 2019 pointing Dixie State Trailblazers. That should just be overwritten. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:40, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, agreed. Let me finish the 1934 season, and then I'll get to pages for Dixie and a few other of the key subjects in these five football team pages. Thank you very much! BBrooksDallas (talk) 02:43, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good. One small item: you have the attendance for the 1932 Simmons game at 3,000. The source I cited at 1932 Simmons Cowboys football team reports the attendance for that game as 5,000; see https://www.newspapers.com/clip/31160149/abilene-reporter-news/. Can you doublecheck your source? Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 03:04, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Also, did the 1932 Jefferson team run the Notre Dame Box on offense? Jweiss11 (talk) 03:06, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

As for the Jefferson-Simmons game, the "Dallas Morning News" article sub-headings say: "Long Gallops Bring Tallies. Whire and Bird Thrill 3,000 Fans With Fine Touchdown Sprints." As for the Notre Dame offense, I have no idea what specific style, but the Morning News commonly referred to the "Notre Dame" offense that Dobbs ran. You can edit or delete it as you see best. I completed the 1934 Dixie Rebels season, but it's not in the Draft folder and I'm not sure why and I don't know how to move it to the Draft: Help....Can you find it? Thank you. BBrooksDallas (talk) 03:52, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello: I have completed the Wiki page for the Dallas Rangers football team, the transition period between the 1932 Jefferson Rangers and the 1933 Dixie Rebels. It's in my Sandbox, but I don't know how to move it to the "Draft" folder. Sometimes the Draft folder appears when I create a new page and sometimes it doesn't -- I don't know why. Can you please review and publish? Thank you. BBrooksDallas (talk) 04:17, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello: I have not heard from anyone for a while: I've created a few new pages that need to get reviewed and published; Dixie University, 1934 Dixie Rebels football team, Dallas Rangers football team. Thank you. BBrooksDallas (talk) 17:47, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, again: can someone please respond to my most recent new pages for confirmation and publishing? Thank you. BBrooksDallas (talk) 22:17, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello: I would really like to get these pages completed, as I have a few more to do in order to complete the overall story. Please respond to these Draft pages. Thank you. BBrooksDallas (talk) 21:02, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Jweiss11 -- have you been able to complete these other pages? I am waiting to do some additional stories about the Jefferson/Dixie events but I need these Wikipedia draft pages completed and posted -- I'd appreciate some kind of update on them. Thank you. BBrooksDallas (talk) 22:23, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

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Hello: I've left a number of messages directly above to get some review on my draft submissions and after getting many responses for a few weeks on other submissions, I've received no responses for quite a while. I am trying to publish some stories on these topics on other web sites, and I want to cite the Wikipedia entries within that, but I can't until they are published on Wiki. Thank you. BBrooksDallas (talk) 17:15, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

It's unlikely others saw your messages here as they weren't marked as this post was. Regarding your draft, please note the message in the submission notice, "This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,710 pending submissions waiting for review." Reviews are done by a limited number of volunteers in no particular order. You will need to continue to be patient. I am watching this page should you have additional questions. 331dot (talk) 20:38, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

I would note that Wikipedia is not a reliable source and shouldn't be used as a citation for scholarly works, the sources in articles should be used. 331dot (talk) 20:41, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you -- yes, I am aware of the possible delays, nonetheless two reviewers were approving my drafts in fairly rapid succession because all of the pages were related to each other. We (the reviewers and myself) wanted the entire group of new pages to be all active successively in order for the stories to all align, so I was whipping them out as quickly as I could -- then everything stopped on Wiki's side. As for the use of these pages in other works, these are merely for informational purposes only and are not part of "scholarly" works -- rather they're just fun Facebook blogs that chronicle interesting historical stories, anecdotes, and so on. The Wiki page links will be included as "for additional information...." pages. Thank you. BBrooksDallas (talk) 15:45, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

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I am sorry, but I don't understand this. I have written some very valuable and informative stories which have added great clarity and detail into some interesting and lost-to-history events, mostly related to football and sports history. The previous reviewers have been very helpful and agreed with my content on everything that I've published. I've complied with every single request that reviewers have asked of me, and they have never once chided me for anything inappropriate. I don't have any web pages of any kind anywhere, and you've completely misunderstood what I was describing. I am protesting this considered action as vigorously as I can. Please check with JWeiss11 about what I've written and also Rich Smith and Buidhe have seen some of my work. I have no agenda other than to bring these stories to light for folks to enjoy -- nothing more -- and I have no commercial agenda or financial interest in anything what so ever. I am merely an amateur historian who's grown fond of these kinds of stories. I've also made numerous corrections to existing pages out of my appreciation and respect for the accuracy of history. I am happy to discuss with you on the phone (if you all do that) or via regular email (if you do that). Please cease with this proposed action. JWeiss11 can you assist me, please? Thank you. BBrooksDallas (talk) 06:26, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

After seeing this note on another editor's talk page, I have moved this draft page to User:BBrooksDallas/sandbox/1934 Dixie University Rebels football team and removed the speedy-deletion template. To avoid this in the future, please create a new page whose name starts with User:BBrooksDallas/ such as User:BBrooksDallas/sandbox/1935 Dixie University Rebels football team, User:BBrooksDallas/sandbox/1936 Dixie University Rebels football team, etc.

If you wish, you may also create these drafts in the "Draft" part of Wikipedia, as Draft:1935 Dixie University Rebels football team and so on. You may also consider moving the page User:BBrooksDallas/sandbox/1934 Dixie University Rebels football team to Draft:1934 Dixie University Rebels football team, especially if you will be collaborating with others before moving it to the main encyclopedia. Such collaboration is highly encouraged by the way. Courtesy ping to Amkgp and Jweiss11 davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:27, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much!! I greatly appreciate it. I am still learning a lot about Wikipedia so I am sorry for mistakes regarding the "process." I will get back to this later today and make any corrections that I need to and follow the templates you've described from here on out. I really love bringing these stories and events to life as it creates endlessly fascinating nuggets of history that all can enjoy. Again, thank you for all of your help! Courtesy tag to JWeiss11. BBrooksDallas (talk) 18:37, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Davidwr thanks for jumping in and addressing this. BBrooksDallas, I've been on the go the last few hours and just getting a chance to respond. I think this was all much ado about not much. Rather that proposing to delete you user page (which you should note is not the same thing at deleting your user account!) it would probably have been more effective for Amkgp to drop in and leave a friendly note about how to properly use user pages and sandboxes, etc rather than take the formulaic and potentially misleading approach of proposing to delete your user page. At any rate, BBrooksDallas, your user page (User:BBrooksDallas) is a place where you can, if you so choose, tell the Wikipedia community about yourself, your contributions to the encyclopedia, and goals for future editing. Or you can use as a sort of notebook for collecting useful resources or basically whatever you want within the broad bounds of relevance to Wikipedia. If you are going to develop more content for new or existing article, a user sandbox or draft space is more appropriate location. Sorry for the confusion and drama here. I look forward to more of your contributions! Jweiss11 (talk) 23:31, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Great, thank you all very much. It was a bit of a fright, but this has helped me to better understand how to use Wikipedia as I am still a bit of a novice at it, but want to post interesting and accurate articles as much as I can. I'll get organized on all of this the next few days and press on with my next articles. Thank you all, again. BBrooksDallas (talk) 23:50, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

This page should not be speedily deleted because... I am sorry, but I don't understand this. I have written some very valuable and informative stories which have added great clarity and detail into some interesting and lost-to-history events, mostly related to football and sports history. The previous reviewers have been very helpful and agreed with my content on everything that I've published. I've complied with every single request that reviewers have asked of me, and they have never once chided me for anything inappropriate. I don't have any web pages of any kind anywhere, and you've completely misunderstood what I was describing. I am protesting this considered action as vigorously as I can. Please check with JWeiss11 about what I've written and also Rich Smith and Buidhe have seen some of my work. I have no agenda other than to bring these stories to light for folks to enjoy -- nothing more -- and I have no commercial agenda or financial interest in anything what so ever. I am merely an amateur historian who's grown fond of these kinds of stories. I've also made numerous corrections to existing pages out of my appreciation and respect for the accuracy of history. I am happy to discuss with you on the phone (if you all do that) or via regular email (if you do that). Please cease with this proposed action. JWeiss11 can you assist me, please? Thank you. BBrooksDallas (talk) 06:28, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

--BBrooksDallas (talk) 06:28, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

This page should not be speedily deleted because... Adding to my earlier post, I am very upset about this, almost sick to my stomach. I've added a series of pages about the Jefferson and Dixie universities' football teams of the 1930s in Dallas -- JWeiss11 was a big help to me regarding this incredibly bizarre story that had a big impact on the college football world then. I added a page on the 1918 Camp Perry football team (Bremerton, WA) to help round out that aspect of football history during World War I. I've spent a ton of time researching and writing these pages so that they were as accurate as they could possibly be. I helped JWeiss11 with adding in sources for the Los Angeles Wildcats of the 1926 AFL when whoever wrote the original article had not offered many citations -- JWeiss11 asked me to fill in all the references, which I did. I even was able to add in some missing games that the team played on a barnstorming tour that year. The other reviewers have praised me for my work. As it relates to the Jefferson and Dixie stories, my research has also allowed me to correct the historic records with the colleges that Jefferson and Dixie played, because no one today at those colleges knows who those teams were back then. Dixie was confused for Dixie State College, which is a college in Utah today. Other schools had bad information on who Jefferson and Dixie were which I helped them correct because it was such a strange story of the two colleges. Again, I can assure you I have NO commercial or financial interest in any of these articles or stories, and am doing it purely for the satisfaction of learning history and bringing these stories to life. Thank you. --BBrooksDallas (talk) 07:16, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your efforts in improving Wikipedia's coverage of notable seasons of college football teams. If you are not already involved with Wikipedia:WikiProject College Football consider getting involved.

Your "main" user page, User:BBrooksDallas, is special. Typically, editors either don't create it at all (it is a "red link"), they create it but leave it blank, or they use it to tell a bit about what they have done or plan to do on Wikipedia and related projects. It is NOT the place to put a draft article. Draft articles should have names that start with either Draft: or User:username/ which in your case is User:BBrooksDallas/. Many editors do what you did with two of your drafts, and start the draft's name with User:username/sandbox/.

For more information on what is and what is not appropriate for your main user page and for other pages in "your user space" (that is, pages whose names start with User:BBrooksDallas/) see Wikipedia:User pages. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:33, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

BBrooksDallas, heads up that I moved your draft of 1934 Dixie Rebels football team to the mainspace. Nice work there and on Golden Cyclones. One issue with your formatting of citations. You keep linking to urls like "www.Newsbank.com" in the via field of the cite news template. This produces an ugly and non-useful red link. Instead, simply enter NewsBank or Newspapers.com, which produces a useful wikilink. Also, when citing from news archives sites like Newspapers.com, its most helpful to clip the article and link to it in the citation. Take a look at the references I just added to W. E. Metzenthin for an example of this. Thanks and keep up the good work. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:38, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

OK, thank you. I will work on fixing those citations in as many places as I can over the next week or two. As for the clippings, yes, I can do that too. Thank you for the additional information. I will join the College Football Group as I was invited to do, too. Have a good evening. BBrooksDallas (talk) 23:55, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

The citation formatting/corrections went much faster than I thought. I think I am finished with all the ones I can recall, and it looks like you or someone else added the clippings in for the LA Wildcats of the 1926 AFL. I have two draft pages in my Sandbox, but I am unsure how to move them to Draft status so that you can review them. The two are the "Dixie University" page and the "Dallas Rangers football team" page, the bridge team between 1932 Jefferson and 1933 Dixie -- although brief, it connects the dots between the two colleges and also brings out the story of the challenge game against the NFL's Portsmouth Spartans on New Year's Day, 1933. How do I move them to Draft for review? Thank you. BBrooksDallas (talk) 04:25, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) BBrooksDallas, if you want to SUBMIT a draft, follow the instructions at WP:Articles for Creation. If you want to RENAME the page so its name starts with "Draft:" instead of "User:BBrooksDallas/" you will want to "move" it. See WP:MOVE for instructions. Be very careful when moving a page, make sure the "destination" name-space is correct (e.g. "Draft:"), make sure the "page name" is correct (e.g. "2001 Acme Looniversity football team"), and make sure you make an intelligent, case-by-case decision on checking the "move talk page."

Also, if the page was ever used for anything OTHER than the current, AND you are the only person who edited it while it was about the current topic, you might be better off just "copying and pasting" the contents to a new page called Draft:Topic name goes here. This is about the only time when a "copy and paste move" is a good idea. If anyone except you has edited the page while it was about the current topic, don't do that, it messes up the legally-required attribution history, so do a regular move instead. If the page has always been about this topic, do a regular move, just because that's "the wiki way." It's not common, but if the page can't be "copy and paste" moved because of other editors and it can't have a "regular move" because it used to be about something else, then a history split may be required. Hopefully you won't ever need to do that. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:04, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Kohlrabi Pickle was:

This submission reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article. Submissions should summarise information in secondary, reliable sources and not contain opinions or original research. Please write about the topic from a neutral point of view in an encyclopedic manner.

 The comment the reviewer left was:

This looks like a potentially intriguing article, but it is not yet written in a way that is encyclopedic, that gives context to an unfamiliar reader, or reflects its notability. I suspect all that's needed is some rewording - you know the content, so highlight the important stuff and I think it'll probably pass.

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Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 13:27, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Gotcha, I understand what you are saying and will re-write accordingly. It is a very interesting topic, so it will come together as you requested. Thank you. BBrooksDallas (talk) 14:35, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

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Good morning. I have edited the Draft:Dallas Rangers football team entry to be a bit tighter. It should be ready for review and acceptance. If so, are you able to publish it? Thank you. BBrooksDallas (talk) 15:46, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, BBrooksDallas. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Dallas Rangers football team".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:43, 1 November 2021 (UTC)