User talk:Bagumba

For some reason the page has become a target for IP vandalism. Thank you. Rikster2 (talk) 01:20, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

It's a single user. I warned them. Blocking would be more suitable than protecting from all editors. —Bagumba (talk) 01:24, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

OK, though he has edited under 3 different IPs. I do not know how blocking works since we went away from IP address Rikster2 (talk) 01:30, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

Are referring to other accounts? ~2026-13532-50 is using the same IP. —Bagumba (talk) 04:34, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

Hey there! Thanks for all your help with the LeBron page. I have another question—do you think the following paragraph gives undue weight to rumors and trivia? It is the last paragraph in the Personal Life section.

"According to James' business partner Maverick Carter, James was in the habit of spending $1.5 million per year on his body, as reported by Men's Health in 2021. This figure included paying for personal chefs and trainers as well as recovery therapies such as cryotherapy and hyperbaric chambers. In a March 2025 interview, James denied rumors that he spends up to $1 million per year on his health. He told ESPN in 2018 that he drinks wine every night, believing it to be good for his heart. James' former Cavaliers teammate Tristan Thompson has claimed that James eats desserts with every meal. In January 2009, doctors at the Cleveland Clinic discovered a benign tumor in the parotid gland on the right side of James' jaw. The tumor was removed in June of that year."

Thanks! OrdinaryOtter (talk) 18:49, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @OrdinaryOtter: Most concerns about weight can be resolved by assessing whether the material in question is picked up by the top sources in the field. WP:BESTSOURCES policy section says:

When writing about a topic, basing content on the best respected and most authoritative reliable sources helps to prevent bias, undue weight, and other NPOV disagreements.

So, are the cited sources the best available covering LeBron? And if not, can the content be cited to those that are? Left guide (talk) 19:31, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The personal life section isn't even that big. We don't have to trim everything from the article. He is debatably the greatest of all-time after all. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 21:07, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

The article has had valid tags and complaints about length for quite some time. Overly long articles are often a tragedy of the commons with dozens or hundreds of drive-by editors adding their small piece of preferred content over time without much regard for how it affects the overall state of the article, and it cumulatively adds up. Sometimes the ecosystem needs someone to review the whole article and make those big bold cuts, and I'm glad that OrdinaryOtter seems to have the skill and inclination for it. Given the apparent lack of objections on the merits of their individual edits, they have probably been doing some very good work. That said, I don't think we should be stonewalling suggestions to split material into new sub-articles, since it seems like a reasonable compromise for those who want to preserve content, and more importantly, it wouldn't be undue for someone with as much coverage as LeBron. Left guide (talk) 22:48, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

I appreciate the comments and compliments. My query in this thread was not so much about, "Should we trim some content from this section?", but more a general curiosity about the quality of the content. If anything, we could probably add more content about James' health and personal life. I will see if I can make some minor changes or additions based on all your comments and Bagumba's sources, but locating new content and article expansion are currently not my preferred tasks, nor my strongest skills. Others would be welcome to improve the section in whatever ways they see fit. OrdinaryOtter (talk) 23:03, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

@OrdinaryOtter: For feedback from others on the overall quality of the article, you could consider a peer review or even a good article reassessment since it's a good article that was last certified over a decade ago. Left guide (talk) 23:11, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

@OrdinaryOtter: Thanks for your efforts. And certainly you're under no obligation to find new content or expand the page. Feel free to continue using me as a sounding board, if I'm at all helpful. —Bagumba (talk) 06:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

@OrdinaryOtter: Given James' longevity and continued high-level performance into his 40s, I suspect there's enough coverage on his diet and fitness regimen to satisfy WP:DUE. A couple of weeks ago, he referenced his affinity for wine and cookies. There's more on cookies from 2025. The more likely problem with the WP:INTEXT attribution to Carter and Thompson is that it gives the appearance of biased opinions on what might actually be generally accepted facts. At any rate, MOS:CLAIM advises against using claimed.—Bagumba (talk) 21:31, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

I could use a little more help with explaining basketball jargon on the LeBron page. Do you have thoughts on how these sentences could be made more clear for the average reader, specifically with regards to the bold text?

"Along with Shane Battier and Dwyane Wade, Miami used James in an ultra-aggressive defensive scheme, with James cheating off the ball to help out inside or get into rebounding position."

"After missed drives on offense, he often dawdled back on defense while complaining to the referees; he provided less help off the ball, and was less aggressive in switching." OrdinaryOtter (talk) 08:12, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @OrdinaryOtter: My suggestion would be to integrate wikilinks to descriptions of these concepts elsewhere, since I doubt the LeBron article is a good place to explain basketball concepts. Ideally, these would be the topic of an article or section therein, but if that's impractical, Glossary of basketball terms is available (and should probably be accommodated with an anchor). Any content explaining these concepts that doesn't currently exist around the encyclopedia, feel free to create or add. Left guide (talk) 08:31, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I added "off the ball" to the glossary page and then linked to it. However, despite my valiant efforts at Googling, I cannot find any explanation of what it means to "cheat" in basketball. The cited source on the LeBron page uses the term three times without explaining it. I was hoping Bagumba or another person well-versed in basketball might be able to use the context in the source article to determine what it means. OrdinaryOtter (talk) 09:04, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

Ahh I see. Cheating (I think) basically means when an off-ball defender doesn't play very close to their assigned opponent because they want an easier opportunity to make a play on the ball handler. It might make more sense if you're able to find a relevant video; it seems easier to demonstrate and understand by watching basketball. Nonetheless, I'd like to have a source available to verify it and add to the glossary page. I'll see what I can find. Left guide (talk) 09:13, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

@OrdinaryOtter: I was a bit surprised to find cheat at Merriam-Webster: "to position oneself defensively near a particular area in anticipation of a play in that area". Typically this is to help another defender, or strategically playing away from the player one is assigned to because they are less of an offensive threat. —Bagumba (talk) 21:07, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

If we're going to add "cheat" to the Glossary of basketball terms, would you suggest using the Merriam-Webster definition more or less verbatim, or tweaking it? OrdinaryOtter (talk) 04:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

@OrdinaryOtter: The M-W def is generic but sufficient, and is verifiable. Is close paraphrasing a concern? I don't work on glossaries much. It's actually a general sports term, and given it's in M-W, I wonder if it's (more?) appropriate for Wiktionary? Good luck. —Bagumba (talk) 05:50, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

	For being kind, helpful and humble!
	It means a lot. OrdinaryOtter (talk) 06:46, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

@OrdinaryOtter: Thank you. Much appreciated.—Bagumba (talk) 06:54, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Beach Tygrieve32 (talk) 01:00, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

@Tygrieve32: Refer to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and Wikipedia:WikiProject Sports/Handling sports transactions. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 01:05, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

Hi B. Would it be out of line to have Trent McDuffie's page protected? I believe the morons that I reverted earlier are back doing jabs as IP users. It's getting out of hand. Any help is appreciated. John. Bringingthewood (talk) 07:26, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

@Bringingthewood: I've protected it, since they're unsourced edits. Technically, you're edit warring, if some admin chooses to see it that way. I'd suggest just going to WP:RPP and request protection if you find yourself being sucked into reverting to no avail. If you feel like being an evangelist, consider using {{uw-sportstrans}} on editors in question (or not). Good luck. —Bagumba (talk) 07:56, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

Will do. Thanks for the protection .. in more ways than one. ;) Regards. Bringingthewood (talk) 08:02, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Technically, you're edit warring, if some admin chooses to see it that way. @Bringingthewood: If you cite the policy the other editor is breaking in your edit summary (usually WP:CRYSTAL or WP:BLPGOSSIP when dealing with sports transactions), admins are less likely to choose to see it that way. Left guide (talk) 08:34, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

None of which are under WP:3RRNO. YMMV. —Bagumba (talk) 08:39, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

BLP is actually under #7. Left guide (talk) 08:41, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

What counts as exempt under BLP can be controversial. Consider reporting to the BLP noticeboard instead of relying on this exemption. —Bagumba (talk) 08:43, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

Making page protection requests is a lot easier if you install WP:Twinkle. It might not work on BTW's computer though, lol. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:23, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

You're something, WO-9. (See when I do three things at once? Don't worry, LG, you're something also) -- I'm typing and reading and deleting all at once. The end of your sentence covered it, you really do know my computer, lol! John Bringingthewood (talk) 21:44, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

LOL! Speaking of morons, the one message above mine .. I was just about to reply to him on the Murray talk page and he was blocked!! I can tell you, it would have been entertaining. Bringingthewood (talk) 07:32, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

Mother of .. do three reverts equal an edit war .. or do I get an extra one, lol? Bringingthewood (talk) 21:58, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

Thanks again, B, for what you said up there. Looks like the maniac on the Kyler page was told that he's engaged in an edit war. That leaves me as the other party. I actually just read this: The three-revert rule states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts, in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material, on a single page within a 24-hour period. Starting again with a clean slate after 24 hours is allowed? I'll come back for a month straight if I have to. One day they might want to reword that part. See you later. Bringingthewood (talk) 00:54, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

@Bringingthewood: From 2nd paragraph at WP:EW: The three-revert rule is a convenient limit for occasions when an edit war is happening fairly quickly; it is not a definition of "edit warring", and it is absolutely possible to engage in edit warring without breaking the three-revert rule, or even coming close to doing so. If it was yesterday, and if I was going to issue a EW warning to that other editor, I might have been compelled to issue you a warning too, just to be fair to all involved parties. But if an editor adds something unsourced and you choose to revert, there's cachet in leaving an edit summary of "unsourced" or similar. —Bagumba (talk) 07:11, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

I'm not looking for trouble. At least not all the time, I do check 'recent changes'. What I wanted to know, for example, last night I reverted an IP, they made up a name and reverted two more times. I stopped. Thank God, nothing touched since. Let's say tonight after midnight the idiot returns, I'm not going to wait for another editor to step in. Look at these football pages for example, it's insane. I think certain circumstances should be in play, I'm not the antagonist here. Btw, I tried to check out the 'protection request' page, of course I have outdated JavaScript, lol. John. Bringingthewood (talk) 22:57, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

@Bringingthewood: Making up a name would be obvious vandalism, and be exempt per WP:NOT3RR. Sometimes you just have to do the "right thing"; just don't be surprised if some technicalities happen to pop up. —Bagumba (talk) 23:10, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

I'll learn one of these days, B. Thanks again. Bringingthewood (talk) 23:39, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Bringingthewood: It's somewhat hard to give definitive advice absent specific details, but if "they made up a name" refers to something added to a WP:BLP article (like a defamatory unsourced nickname for example), admins and editors are granted leeway on combatting such disruption. Left guide (talk) 23:13, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

Of course I can't prove it. But on the Sunil Mukhi page I'm pretty positive. I know all situations are different. Funny, I was just sending a message to an editor who has been attacking pages recently, trying to get a point across. The administrator there knows I'm involved, I'm not that stupid. But it is nice not to write DO NOT EDIT WAR!! 100 times on the blackboard. Bringingthewood (talk) 23:39, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

I might as well ask now. Regarding the New York Rangers, can I revert five or six different IP's? This also happened last year, but several other editors were involved. It's a Jack Hughes thing. Bringingthewood (talk) 00:58, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

Semi-protected four days. Left guide (talk) 01:02, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

You'll never let me join in any reindeer games. Thanks, LG. :( Bringingthewood (talk) 01:07, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

See the edit history of Samford Bulldogs. I noticed this editor has also added nonsensical categories to 1985 Oklahoma Sooners football team. What do you make of this?- UCO2009bluejay (talk) 05:19, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

@UCO2009bluejay: Follow WP:DISPUTE. Has someone brought this up to the editor before, in case they just don't know? I see WP:PARENTCAT being at least one helpful reference. Good luck. —Bagumba (talk) 05:27, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

@UCO2009bluejay: I do see this, so presumably they now know. Act accordingly per DISPUTE if it persists. —Bagumba (talk) 05:33, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

Hey, may I ask for a sanity check/second opinion on something? So at the article Bam Adebayo's 83-point game, there was recently this image (uploaded by a brand new user) which I'm not sure meets copyright policy/law, what do you think? There was also another image uploaded by another user which was recently speedied. FWIW, I don't feel well-versed enough in copyvio at the moment to speedy delete images myself on those grounds. It seems that some fans are very eager to get an image on the page. Left guide (talk) 07:09, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

Just realized the first image is actually on Commons, but IIRC you have some experience with copyvio deletions there too. Left guide (talk) 07:11, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

@Left guide: You can refer to WP:COPYOTHERS: All creative works are copyrighted, by international agreement, unless either they fall into the public domain or their copyright is explicitly disclaimed. Assume everything is copyrighted unless there is evidence otherwise that rights have been released. If a URL can be found showing the image was published by someone else earlier, and it's not free, that's grounds for a speedy deletion. On the image's page on Commons, go to Tools->Report copyright violation, and simply supply the URL. In that first image, the URL is already listed, and they show AP as the author. About as easy as it can get. Most times people lie and say its their own work. —Bagumba (talk) 07:36, 12 March 2026 (UTC)