User talk:Deceptecon

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Regarding your recent edits to Petra Mlakou Castle when you modified the page, you introduced unknown parameters. Just because you specify |some_param=some_variable does not always mean that variable will display. The |some_param= must be defined in the template. You can look at the documentation for the template you are using but it is also helpful to use the preview button before you save your edit; this helps you find any errors you have made and ensure that the values you have added are displaying correctly. Below the edit box is a Show preview button. Pressing this will show you what the page will look like without actually saving it. It is strongly recommended that you use this before saving. Note I have likely fixed the error by now so check the history of the page to see how it was fixed. If you have any questions, contact the help desk for assistance. Thank you. Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 05:32, 20 February 2026 (UTC)

Please note that Wikiproject tracking categories, such as Category:WikiProject Africa articles or Category:WikiProject Algeria articles, go on talk pages, not articles. They're not categories that are meant for the reader to peruse for reader information purposes, they're categories that are meant for Wikipedia editors to keep track of topics for editorial purposes — so they go on the talk page, not on the article, so that they're out of readers' way.

Both of those categories are constantly reappearing on category cleanup reports over and over and over again, because you keep putting those categories onto articles instead of talk pages. So please stop putting them on articles, because they belong on talk pages. Bearcat (talk) 14:57, 21 February 2026 (UTC)

@Bearcat Thank you very much for notifying me, I find it difficult to keep track of several tasks regarding the articles, the categories you mentioned appear automatically after translating the article pages from their original language.

I apologize for this happening, I will try to avoid this in the future and I hope that you will pardon instances in which this will re-occur. Deceptecon (talk) 15:54, 21 February 2026 (UTC)

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Thank you so much! I learn from the best! Deceptecon (talk) 00:09, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

Hi Deceptecon. I came across Garamas, and thought I'd give you a few pointers:

• As far as I can tell, Garamas is the same figure as Amphithemis. This is what RE, s.vv. Amphithemis (1), Garamas, Grimal, s.v. Acacallis, and Parada, s.v. Amphithemis (1) state. While there isn't necessarily an issue with having a separate article on this figure (as Amphithemis is a set index article covering two identically named figures), or even with titling that page "Garamas", the two should be synchronised, and link to one another.
• Robert Graves' The Greek Myths is generally not considered a reliable source on matters of ancient mythology and religion. Robin Hard, for example, advises that it be "approached with extreme caution", and describes its explanatory notes as "either the greatest single contribution that has ever been made to the interpretation of Greek myth or else a farrago of cranky nonsense".
• When I checked ref 5, I noticed that from "the eponym" to "Garama" the source's wording is the same as ours. For ref 6, the wording seems to be the same between "Caphaura means" and "origin". While I know that rewording can be tricky, it's important that our wording isn't too close to our sources (see WP:CLOP).
• In general, information which appears in the infobox should be present in the article, per MOS:IBP. There were a few discrepancies: "Garamantes" was listed as a "major cult centre" (which doesn't quite make sense, as the Garamantes seem to have been a people), "Tafukt/Apollo" was listed in the infobox but not mentioned in the article, "Tritonis" became "Triton" in the infobox, and so on.

I hope this doesn't discourage you, and that you'll take these suggestions on board. I doubt we have anyone working on Libyan mythology in particular, so it's nice to see someone enthusiastic to fill that niche. If you'd like help finding any other sources, let me know. Cheers, Michael Aurel (talk) 11:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

Hi Michael, thank you very much for writing to me, having encountered the article is a very positive indication that the work done on infoboxes and template box was very fruitful.

• In greek mythology, there exists two seperate Amphithemis, A distinct Amphithemis appears among the Lamian Pheres, twelve demigod attendants of Dionysus originating from the banks of the Lamos River in Cilicia, Anatolia
• the Amphithemis of Libya is the one that could be identified similarly to Garamas.

At first I was not certain how to approach editing the Amphithemis article and attempt to include both the Libyan Mythology and the Greek Mythology on these characters, so I emailed some experienced wikipedia editors to seek their advice on how to approach this, they saw it wise to keep the greek myth article of Amphithemis separate from the Libyan Myth of Garamas in a streamlined article that only covers the Libyan myth and his descendants the Garamantes. the way it was explained to me was how Jupiter and Zeus have two different articles, one pertaining in Greek Mythology and the Other in Roman Mythology, even though their stories are the same, similarly, Garamas and Amphithemis would have to be in two different articles.

I made the following modifications according to what understood from your advice:

• I took your input to heart and I removed the Robert Graves' The Greek Myths source since it is unreliable
• I used other sources, I have linked Garamas article to Amphithemis article as "Greek Equivalent"
• I interpreted the wording and changed the exact wording, I will especially remember this in the future.
• I took notes on your remarks in the infobox, thank you for correcting Triton from Tritonis I guess missed that one, and your remark on cult centre too, I fixed it to Germa.

I would love to see more feedback from you in the future, thank you so much for taking the time to write me such a detailed list of what to improve upon so meticulously, most people wouldn't even bother, it's a very nice gesture.

If you'd like help finding any other sources, let me know. Cheers, I'd love more than anything if you are able to improve the Gurzil article to add a coherent well structured infobox to it, some other articles that lack an infobox that could easily help get more readers to Libyan Religion if they had an infobox include the following :

• Massylii
• Masaessylii
• Gurzil

If you can, you could really strike a good edit on all three pages. Deceptecon (talk) 23:55, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for taking it all in your stride. Those changes generally all look good. Regarding those "x_equivalent" parameters, they've been the topic of a few discussions (in particular, see this one), with the general opinion being that they should be reserved for cases where deities from different cultures are identified (see interpretatio graeca). The relationship between Zeus and Jupiter is a good example: you're certainly correct that they are very similar in literature and iconography, but there are some important discrepancies between the two in cult (I've actually recently written about this last point at Cult of Zeus#Distribution and characteristics, if you'd like to learn about it; see the last paragraph of that section).

Here, I think it's more a case of one figure with both Greek and Libyan connotations having two names. While both the Greek and Libyan sides of this figure definitely deserve discussion, I think it will be a little difficult to separate them fully: at Amphithemis, we mention Libya and the Libyan nymph, and at Garamas we cite Greek sources such as Pindar and Apollonius of Rhodes and mention Greek figures such as Apollo. Personally, I'd treat Garamas as the article covering this figure in detail, and Amphithemis as the set index article which helps people who type in "Amphithemis" find the one they're looking for. We should probably link Garamas at Amphithemis (so readers know they're missing out on a more detailed article!); we could write something like "Amphithemis, also known as [[Garamas]], ...", for example.

I'll take a look at those other articles. Unfortunately, I don't know much about Libyan mythology and history, so I doubt I'll be able to do anything too jaw-dropping with them, but I'll definitely have a look. I probably won't add infoboxes, because some pages (particularly smaller ones) don't need them, but you can certainly add them yourself if you have an idea of how they should be done. Best, Michael Aurel (talk) 23:46, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

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