User talk:Enescot

Hi E, Being interested in JJ's IPCC standard citation project I've been watching his page, and saw your comment. Could you please post an example diff(s) and point out an example of place(s) where important info was lost, in your opinion? I'm not looking for an exhaustive inventory, just an example or two. Thanks NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 09:13, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I've posted my two examples on Talk:Global warming#Citation of IPCC authors. Enescot (talk) 08:56, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Could use your input at Talk:Global warming#Title specification. _ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 21:48, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I've got some documentation up. Check out Talk:Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change/citation and tell me what you think. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 00:08, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I think it's very good. Enescot (talk) 15:30, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I applaud your recent work at Effects of global warming. But there are some points I would discuss (and perhaps with less drama if we do it here).

• Initials in the shortened form: well, this should be sorted out, but until some other issues are sorted out this has to be deferred. On-hold

• Chapter title: I believe I was initially inclined to leave it out, but was convinced (didn't you do that?!) to use it. This seems to make sense: the chapter (of the IPCC reports) is the basic "work" to which the most specific, identifiable attribution can be made. At the very least include the chapter number, and I lean fairly strongly to using the whole title (well, one exception), as that is more informative than the just number. But tell me what you think.

• "Definition of": (this is kind of minor, but since we are so close to perfection... :-) That isn't the actual title of the section referred to. More standard would be something like: Glossary: "sensitivity". (I follow CMS on that, but don't have the exact section at hand.)

I see you sometimes leave the period out of "et al.", which probably compensates my occasionally putting in two ("et. al." -- wrong!). Feel free to take my extraneous periods. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 21:09, 29 February 2012 (UTC) P.S. I see there are still quite a few citations with the Harv link inside the author parameter, which looks bad. You want any help clearing those out? ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 21:33, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your support. I wasn't sure about the chapter titles - I thought you had wanted them removed? Anyway, I'll start putting them back in. Thanks for the Glossary suggestion. I'll try and get round to finishing off the article as soon as possible. Enescot (talk) 17:11, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Like I said above, I think it was you that convinced me that they should go in. I can see an argument either way, but presently believe it is better to put the titles in. Let me know if you would like any help. At the least it would ward of a charge of Lone Rangerism. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 19:50, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I cringed when I saw you've been putting in {{Rp}} templates. (They are so crude and ugly.) Of course, adding page specification is good, and named refs doesn't have any way of doing it other than Rp. But why stick with named refs? Well, rabid aversion from some people if they even get a whiff of the "H" templates. But that is most likely the best way to go. And I can give you a hand with them if you want. (The templates, that is.) ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 23:36, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. By the way, sorry for taking such a long time with the citation edits on effects of global warming. I'd be more than happy if you want to lend a hand.

I've had my page numbers deleted in Harvard form on carbon tax, and that's put me off using them. However, I'd be happy to try using them again. Previously, I've cited page numbers in-line using Harvard citations, i.e.:

[...] The human influence on the climate can be seen in the geographical pattern of observed warming, with greater temperature increases over land and in polar regions rather than over the oceans (NRC, 2008:6).^[1]

I could use the harvnb template in effects of global warming like this -

[...] The human influence on the climate can be seen in the geographical pattern of observed warming, with greater temperature increases over land and in polar regions rather than over the oceans.^[2]

- with the full citation added to the references section:

I'd appreciate any comments you have on this. Enescot (talk) 15:00, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Sure. By the way, I took the liberty (I hope you don't mind) of modifying your text above to illustrate the use of {{reflist-talk}}. It's quite handy for illustrating this kind of stuff. Also, it might be more convenient to use a sandbox as a work area for illustrating some of this stuff.

Do keep in mind the difference between the style of referencing known as "Harvard", and the Wikipedia {{Harv}} template. The latter is a good way of implementing the former, but neither necessarily implies the latter.

As a general comment: in your "prior use" example above the combination of Harvard style short citation (in the parentheses) and a footnote (with the superscripted link) is redundant, as one or the other alone would suffice. More typical is your second case, where the in-line link goes to the footnote, which has the Harvard style short citation (done with Harv) that links to the full citation. Though the point of doing that is so the full citations ("references") can be pulled out of the footnotes and kept in a separate list. And that is the essence of it all.  :-) ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 20:07, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Regarding your recent edit at Effects_of_global_warming#Health of "WHO 2009": I did some revisions. Note that inserting hyperlinks into citation parameters is often not a good thing (can mess up the parsing). And often not necessary, as there are parameters for that. E.g., |url= automatically links the title, and similarly with |chapter-url=. Also, you probably removed the |at= line because it conflicted with the page number. But that's one reason why I usually leave the page number following the template. (The other reason is more complicated.) ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:34, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for making that change. 20:19, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Always pleased to be of assistance. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 20:57, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi E,

Over [here] I just butted in some subsections in front of one you already posted. Apologies if that seemed rude. I did it because my comments were directly related to the examples JJ had posted, and thought it would be easiest for all to keep my questions as close as possible to those examples, for easy referencing. Have a happy, NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 03:02, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

I liked this a lot. Thanks for caring NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 17:29, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Enescot (talk) 15:21, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

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• Per your comment on Talk:Effects of global warming#James Hansen's excellent chart I've added doi 10.1073/pnas.1205276109
• Thank you for your other efforts regarding related topics. 141.218.36.99 (talk) 22:18, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the paper to extreme weather, and I appreciate your kind comments. Enescot (talk) 03:32, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

• Thank you Enescot for your contributions to global warming content. 141.218.36.44 (talk) 22:37, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Enescot (talk) 03:09, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

What did you intend from your comment at the end of Talk:Global_warming#Add reference please regarding the velocity of global warming regarding the Physical impacts of climate change? 99.112.213.81 (talk) 06:09, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) In case you did not realize it already Enescot this IP is the blocked GW external link spammer. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 10:32, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. Enescot (talk) 03:33, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

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Replied at Talk:Kyoto_Protocol#Kyoto_successor. I mentioned my changes. Note that the text I took over from the talk page (and which I inserted into Climate change mitigation#Alternatives_to_the_Kyoto_Protocol_and_successor may still read a bit bold (although I did allready change the text to make it more balanced). Look at whether it's acceptable, and make it read smoother/more balanced if needed. 109.130.141.116 (talk) 09:18, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Re : I don't think you did, in fact... William M. Connolley (talk) 09:06, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, sorry about that. I didn't have enough time to edit global warming yesterday. I've just completed the edit. Enescot (talk) 04:54, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

With all respect to the esteemed editor, this editor is having a difficult time rationalinging why I have to defend 15% of global emissions going in the lede. A curt search on Google returns hundreds of sources citing the 15%. Here are a few which I have labored to add here but which I feel I should not have to. Are you not finding these very reputable sources and the figure of 15%?:

• Al Jazeera
• Reuters
• Huffington Post
• Bloomberg
• Lima Ohio Newspaper
• Yahoo Finance

Please help me understand where you see bias? I'm assuming good faith here but the preponderance of the evidence is extremely black and white. the Kyoto extension is going to cover 15% of global emissions, it's a fact from hundreds of reputable newspapers are using the figure. I am a very busy person and am concerned that I am spending too much time providing support for minutiae. All due respect this is the second time I've had to provide numerous supporting entries to this editor over trivial points. Am I missing something?Justanonymous (talk) 14:34, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I've posted my reply at Talk:Kyoto Protocol. Enescot (talk) 05:28, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your contributions to the article on the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change. Regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 10:33, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

P.S. The link you refer to at the top of your user page is at the University of California, Santa Cruz.

Thanks very much. Enescot (talk) 05:11, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your patience, E, but I did not get to the draft for global warming, and don't expect to have time to give it justice. I like your writing, we only disagree on the appropriate emphasis to place on IPCC as the be-all-end-all. If I had the time, I would advocate for greater reliance on secondary sources, and include several voices that believe IPCC is underestimating. Since I don't have time to really work on tweaking your draft, have at it. I may make a drive by appearance now and again, but I've returned to school to start a 2nd career. Caio NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 01:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for telling me. I'm sorry to hear that you won't be contributing as much to Wikipedia as previously. I wish you all the best with your plans. Enescot (talk) 05:17, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Enescot, I was wondering whether you could look at [Talk:Climate_change_mitigation#Removed_section:_Making_the_emitting_of_CO2_illegal this talk entry]. This is a very important section that has been removed. Thanks in advance. KVDP (talk) 10:44, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

FYI, I replied to KVDP at his talk page. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 18:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

I've posted my reply at Talk:Climate_change_mitigation#Removed_section:_Making_the_emitting_of_CO2_illegal this talk entry. Enescot (talk) 06:56, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

FYI, a recent editing pattern at an article where we're both active has inspired me to start a generic edit-warring discussion. In addition, since the editor who inspires this question has opined that you are a straight shooting editor, I'm hoping you might offer some wikietiquette commentary to help nip any edit warring or battlegrounding in the bud before a cascade leading to AE sets in. Thanks for any help you can offer. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:01, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

I'd be happy to help, but I'm not entirely clear on what it is you want me to do. Do you want me to comment on the thread that you've linked to? Enescot (talk) 07:15, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

First, this is not about content, but behavior. If you see behavior that is likely to lead to AE sanctions, and you see that Boundarlayer is not changing their ways despite other peoples' efforts to provide guidance, please consider reiterating the guidance. Boundary might respond to somone (s)he sees as a content-ally more than those (s)he's pegged as a "censor" and an "accessory to murder". NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 10:20, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I have restored my edit to Global Warming, deleted by you. And I have properly called it vandalism. You may not like the message, but it was properly sourced and referenced, and on topic. If you don't like the message (it was neither extreme nor unscientific) please confine your actions to editing rather than the clumsy vandalism of a lesser species. Santamoly (talk) 06:21, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

No, your edit to global warming was not a good one. You completely ignored Hansen's comments about the "stand-still", and wrote something that implied something completely different from what Hansen was saying. Removing it (as i've also done) was the correct response. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 06:26, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you for your attention to climate change mitigation, including wikilinks to industrial Revolution & anthropogenic. Please see wp:Tea. 108.195.136.174 (talk) 07:13, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

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A minor nit in your otherwise excellent File:Global sea level rise projections 2000-2100.png: several of the footnotes have wikilinks, but they are all self-referential, linking to this graph.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 16:53, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

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Please reply here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Effects_of_climate_change_on_humans#Reply Prokaryotes (talk) 10:46, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Maybe you can give some advice to resolve some recent edit issues? Thanks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Climate_sensitivity#Edit_needed and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Radiative_equilibrium#Remove_of_tone_notice Prokaryotes (talk) 09:56, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I'll have a look. Enescot (talk) 09:24, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Friendly suggestion, Prokaryotes (talk · contribs).... at present I have no opinion regarding the content of your edits. However, the version history of one of those articles suggests you might benefit from studying WP:EDITWAR, and be careful not to make the common mistake of assuming WP:3RR means everyone has permission to use edit-war mentality up to but not beyond 3 changes per 24 hours. I'm not saying you EW'd. I'm not saying you did not. The only thing I'm saying is that a 1-second look at version history sends up a red flag, and my only goal in this remark is to help you stay out of the muck - which includes undeserved and unintended muck. See also WP:ARBCC. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 14:11, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, i currently try to resolve this via talk page. It would be great to get more opinions from users who know the specific science. Maybe someone knows a good place to ask or specific users? I tried the climate change task force but there are currently not many people around it seems. Prokaryotes (talk) 22:19, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

I've had a look at radiative equilibrium. It's not a topic I'm familiar with. All I'd suggest is to try and discuss the situation calmly with other editors who are interested in the topic. You may already know of it, but I've found Wikipedia:Etiquette a useful guide. Personally I've found that it can help to have a break between article edits. Enescot (talk) 09:10, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

You have been mentioned on ... a Wikipedia global warming contributors discussion; of interest? (",) 141.218.35.19 (talk) 00:15, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Context on User talk:Anna F remote, in which it history it was embedded, is potentially more understandable.

It is good to see you still contributing to wikipedia. You show great care in your efforts. Thank you. (",) 108.73.114.51 (talk) 22:25, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, and I appreciate your comments. Enescot (talk) 09:27, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks very much. Enescot (talk) 01:48, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

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