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Here's wishing you a belated welcome to Wikipedia, GrinningIodize! I see that you've already been around a while and wanted to thank you for your contributions. Though you seem to have been successful in finding your way around, you may still benefit from following some of the links below, which help editors get the most out of Wikipedia:

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Again, welcome! Mathglot (talk) 16:53, 27 August 2025 (UTC) Mathglot (talk) 16:53, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the cookies! I have appreciation for your appreciation, and I hope that you have a nice day every day! GrinningIodize (talk) 17:24, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi, GrinningIodize. I recently saw this edit of yours at Argentine Constitution of 1853, where you changed two blanks to one after punctuation. While you are indeed correct that Wikipedia's WP:Manual of style suggests only one blank, the fact is that HTML, the language of the web, turns two blanks (or any number of blanks) into one when it displays a web page in your browser. Wikipedia editing guidelines oppose making changes to Wikipedia articles that are not an improvement to the page, and changing a series of blanks down to just one does not improve the article in any way, and is not something that is visible to users. (Note: I am not going to revert, because by the same reasoning, putting it back to two blanks is pointless—just like reducing it to one was pointless.) Please do not make any more edits like this in the future. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 17:05, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for alerting me to this fact @Mathglot! I did not know that this wasn't rendered in the browser. For context, I wrote a script called WikiClicky that scans large swaths of the Wikipedia and finds possible WikiGnome edits that I can apply. Last night, I updated WikiClicky to fix double spaces, but now I realize my mistake. I'm sorry for my actions and I will cease performing such edits starting now.

If you see any more problems like this, please let me know and I'll see what I can do. GrinningIodize (talk) 17:21, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for your cooperation. Your message above conflicted with the section below. Read on... Mathglot (talk) 17:23, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard § Does this bot need a request/approval?

After leaving you the message above about white space changes at Argentine Constitution of 1853, I noticed that you had made the same change in these 74 contributions, made at a speed of up to three edits per minute. Is WickyClicky your bot, and are you using an unauthorized bot to make these edits or to assist in making them? Wikipedia's guidelines require bots to be approved at Wikipedia:Bot requests before using them. I checked the archives there, and I did not spot a previous request for WickyClicky. If this bot is approved, can you please furnish a link to the request/approval page? If not, please hold off using this bot for any purpose until it is approved. (edit conflict) Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 17:23, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

WikiClicky is a semi-automatic editing tool that uses manual approval from me for each edit. I registered for an OAuth token here, and I believe that this complies with Wikipedia:Bot policy as no edits are performed without my manual supervision.

Here's an example of what the management console looks like for WikiClicky (sorry about it being so tiny; this is my first time using Wikimedia Commons):

GrinningIodize (talk) 17:37, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Below the screenshotted area (sorry about that), it reads:

Accept changes (y/n) [n]

The bot does not perform any actions while waiting for human approval. GrinningIodize (talk) 17:40, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick and detailed response. This sounds fairly similar to what WP:AWB is designed to do, and you should have a look at that to see if your bot is even necessary, because I am pretty sure that AWB could perform the type of edit you are interested in automating. Mathglot (talk) 17:53, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

I would use AWB, but it's a pain to setup on Ubuntu (my operating system). I figure that WikiClicky is a fun exercise anyway. GrinningIodize (talk) 18:34, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

FYI, while you've registered for an OAuth token, your tool (as of the most recent edits on August 27) is not actually using it. This isn't against the Bot policy (the policy doesn't care whether you use OAuth authentication, BotPasswords, or something else; it's the manual review of each edit that makes it fall under WP:ASSISTED rather than being a bot), but I thought it worth pointing out to you since you mentioned the OAuth token above. Anomie⚔ 14:09, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

Wait, it's not?? I didn't give the bot my password in the pywikibot config (only the OAuth tokens) so I'm not sure what's going on there. GrinningIodize (talk) 21:37, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

I am not an expert in bots or approval requirements, and made a request at the Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard for someone more knowledgeable about the guidelines and procedures to weigh in here. Please stand by; someone should drop by at some point. (We are an all-volunteer project, so no guarantee on when that might be; please be patient!). Mathglot (talk) 17:57, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

If it turns out that the OAuth token is all you need and everything is compliant and you want to keep on using it (rather than AWB, say), then one recommendation I would make is that it would be handy to have the term WickyClicky wikilinked to a page so that users who were curious could read up about it (maybe even use it?). You could just link your user page, where you already mention it, if you want, but if it were me, I would probably create a user subpage, e.g., User:GrinningIodize/WickyClicky, where you could describe the bot, and then link that page from your edit summary. Mathglot (talk) 18:07, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Good idea! I'll probably work on that soon. GrinningIodize (talk) 18:32, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Note: this is way, way, way down the list of importance, but still, accurate edit summaries are a desirable goal, and two blanks in a row are not a grammar error, therefore altering it is not a "grammar fix". Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 07:17, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

That was my bad, sorry. I will not do that in the future. GrinningIodize (talk) 21:23, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

Hiya! Can we have a look at the source code for WikiClicky? Thanks, Polygnotus (talk) 22:21, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Polygnotus! Thank you for asking for the source code!

Here's the full code, released under the MIT license:

import pywikibot, re, difflib, langdetect</nowiki>
import mwparserfromhell as mwp
from tqdm import tqdm
from itertools import islice
print("Loaded.")
def clean_fragment(text):
return text.replace("  ", " ").replace(' , ', ', ').replace(' : ', ': ').replace(' ? ', '? ').replace(' !', '! ').replace(' ; ', '; ')
def fix_page(page):
if page.namespace() != 0:
print("[WARN] Page is not in main namespace, skipping edit suggestion")
return None
old_text = page.text
new_page = mwp.parse(old_text)
for i in new_page.nodes:
if isinstance(i, mwp.nodes.text.Text):
is_english = True
try:
is_english = langdetect.detect(i.value) == "en"
except:
# print("[WARN] Could not detect language!")
pass
if is_english:
i.value = clean_fragment(i.value)
plaintext_new = new_page.strip_code()
plaintext_old = mwp.parse(old_text).strip_code()
if plaintext_new != plaintext_old:
diff = difflib.unified_diff(plaintext_old.splitlines(), plaintext_new.splitlines(), lineterm='', n=0)''
print('\n'.join(list(diff)))
print('\n')
page.text = str(new_page)
if input("Accept changes? (y/n) [n] ").lower() == 'y':
page.save('WikiClicky: fix grammar and/or double spaces - revert if mistaken')  # Saves the page
else:
print("Canceled.")
site = pywikibot.Site('en', 'wikipedia')  # The site we want to run our bot on
# page = pywikibot.Page(site, 'Science')
need_help = pywikibot.Category(site, "All orphaned articles")
# print(islice(need_help, 10, 15))
last_page_number = 0
for i in range(int(need_help.categoryinfo["pages"]/100)):
chunk = islice(need_help.articles(), last_page_number, last_page_number + 100)
for j in tqdm(list(chunk)):
fix_page(j)
print(f'Completed chunk {int(last_page_number/100)+1} out of {int(need_help.categoryinfo['pages']/100)}!')
last_page_number += 100

I would advise you to not use this code for now, because it currently attempts to correct double-spacing, which is apparently considered bad practice here. Excuse my spaghetti code. GrinningIodize (talk) 22:49, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

The tabs got messed up somehow, so you might have to fix that if you plan on using this code for anything. GrinningIodize (talk) 22:50, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Wait, no. I don't think I'm allowed to license stuff under the MIT on Wikipedia. You can use it under either the MIT or CC BY-SA 4.0/GFDL. GrinningIodize (talk) 22:52, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! People are a bit scared of WP:COSMETIC bots, but there are many more 'substantial' edits one can make that people don't object to. Polygnotus (talk) 22:58, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Happy to help! If I get my way in the WikiClicky dispute, I am definitely going to decommission the double-space correction feature. GrinningIodize (talk) 23:01, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Ah, its no dispute lol. And you are early enough in the devcycle that it is easy to pivot to a task that does not fall under WP:COSMETIC. For example, we often have punctuation marks that appear twice in a row, like in this example. Polygnotus (talk) 23:03, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

It already corrects some grammatical errors; for example, "this sentence is bad , says GrinningIodize" becomes "this sentence is bad, says GrinningIodize" (notice the comma placement here). GrinningIodize (talk) 23:07, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

True, but people are kinda allergic to whitespace changes because there is a long history of some people (not you!) who made a bunch of pointless changes that polluted everyone's watchlist. So generally speaking for the really boring changes the account should have a botflag so that people's watchlists don't get polluted... but they only hand out botflags for stuff that can be fully automated without any human intervention. So the task of whitespace improvement is in the awkward situation that it is not fully automatable (so no botflag) but is 'boring' enough that it falls under WP:COSMETIC. In WP:AWB the approach is that boring edits only get done when combined with a more substantial edit. Polygnotus (talk) 23:09, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Polygnotus, they only hand out botflags for stuff that can be fully automated without any human intervention this is not true, you can get a bot flag for semi-automated edits. — Qwerfjkltalk 14:16, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl Hm, looking at insource:"{{Infobox bot" +"semi-automatic" that appears to be true, for example User:Italic title bot. They appear to be more rare tho. I am not (yet) a bot expert. Thanks, Polygnotus (talk) 16:47, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

Hiya! Have you discovered PAWS yet? It is pretty cool. You can find it here: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/PAWS and my snippets are here: User:Polygnotus/PAWS. Enjoy! Polygnotus (talk) 06:23, 4 September 2025 (UTC)

I've heard of it, but the idea of trusting someone else to execute my code faithfully and to never leak my secrets does not entice me very much. I live in a family that self-hosts most of our important services, and I decided to follow that path as well.

Your code snippets are awesome! I am quite impressed @Polygnotus! GrinningIodize (talk) 18:03, 4 September 2025 (UTC)

Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

You have been trouted for: who up trouting they out

...the standard operating procedure in cases in which an afd has been filed for an article but a csd is more appropriate is to leave the afd open and simply add the csd tag to the article with the afd tag still intact. The reason for this has to do with how admins interpret the information from the afd related deletion; in the case of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Messaging security, having been closed as "speed keep", the interpretation from an admin perspective is that the article had overwhelming community based consensus to remain on wikipedia because it was non promotional and met the notability guidelines, when in fact the opposite is true. Its ok to have both processes open at once, and when in doubt the default preference should always be afd, not csd. In the event that both tags appear on a given article admins will determine which option best represents the case at hand, and if it is in fact the csd criteria they'll close the afd at the same time so both ends are tied off neatly. Just so you know, for next time. :) TomStar81 (Talk) 21:51, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

I see, thank you! I'll try to do this correctly in the future. GrinningIodize (talk) 22:24, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

Hello GrinningIodize, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Mobile procurement, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not unambiguously promotional. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. asilvering (talk) 19:08, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

Got it! I wasn't sure if it fit right with G11; thanks for keeping me in check. GrinningIodize (talk) 00:02, 18 December 2025 (UTC)

Always worth asking yourself "who or what could this be promoting?" before hitting the button (and checking the page history). There are a lot of old and unloved articles that are... not great. But we can clean those up, eventually. G11 is for the blatant spam cases. -- asilvering (talk) 01:18, 18 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello GrinningIodize. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Emily Pitcher, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Voice acting roles are a credible claim of importance even if not sourced properly. Thank you. Whpq (talk) 16:23, 29 December 2025 (UTC)

Where does the article state that Pitcher is a voice actor? GrinningIodize (talk) 16:26, 29 December 2025 (UTC)

The article did include that claim on the history until an editor removed it for not being sourced to a reliable source. Note that for A7 a claim need not be sourced. -- Whpq (talk) 16:31, 29 December 2025 (UTC)

Okay, that makes sense. Thanks for being so patient with me! GrinningIodize (talk) 16:32, 29 December 2025 (UTC)

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GrinningIodize,
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Happy New Year, @Volten001! GrinningIodize (talk) 13:30, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

Thanks and nice time! Volten001 ^☎ 02:51, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

Happy to help! GrinningIodize (talk) 02:59, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

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Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did at Face control, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. Theroadislong (talk) 16:58, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

That was a mistake, sorry. Thanks for reverting my edit! GrinningIodize (talk) 17:14, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

You have been trouted for: your recent comment on The Signpost I'll explain there in a few minutes. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 16:10, 17 February 2026 (UTC)

That was my bad, sorry. GrinningIodize (talk) 14:28, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

Right now is not really the best time to launch into major edits of the article. Too many people are making incremental edits, and there's already one large template at the top of the article. I've removed the {{Under construction}} template for now. Please consider holding off on major edits that will almost certainly conflict with other edits until the pace of editing on the article has slowed down significantly. Thank you. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 22:55, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

Understood, will do. GrinningIodize (talk) 22:58, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

Hello there! You seem to be quite versed in this whole issue with AI plaguing the wiki (I was scrolling through the advice page for AI usage and stumbled upon you in discussions). So, I thought you'd be interested in helping me trying to identify a new WP:Signs of AI writing?

I've been going through "all" the pages where AI-generated maintenance tags have been placed and I'm seeing a pattern which, to my knowledge, haven't been discussed before. We'll be mostly going through the source code of these pages to catch the signs. The "we" here referring to a team im hoping to gather—starting with you!

Hope I'm not bothering. And if you have some questions please ask or don't want to, perfectly fine. Hope to hear your thoughts.

PeepeeDino (talk) 11:15, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

I'd love to help! Do you have some examples of this novel pattern? GrinningIodize (talk) 12:49, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

I've only gone through a couple dozen (and because of my insistence, a the pattern in this case would only emerges after around 2500 pages based on how many AI tagged articles?) but from observations it would seem like whenever a LLM tries to use the >ref name/< feature, every other instance of the citation will have a very suspicious gap before closing (Had to reverse the arrows cause they got hidden, damn!).

Take Derrell Coley for instance, after the first cite, the second time they use it, the "/>" is separated by a gap. Now, for most, it would seem like a editors own preferences, but the list goes on; Akure Forest Reserve, American defense of Taiwan, Antiscience, Avant que l'ombre..., Beware of Luxury, Babalawo, Bed rotting, Beyond Aesthetics, Bhimber, Bingham University, Blue light bandits.

Mind you, this is only from August of last year. And I haven't touched on the letter C yet. Of course, to inspect each one of the source codes for each of these articles is a feverishly boring and repetitive task (and again, see above for my number of article I target)

Like to see what you think of this and if any wordings felt a little off or a bit confusing please do tell.

PeepeeDino (talk) 13:33, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

Hmm... maybe someone could write a tool that finds articles with this inconsistency? GrinningIodize (talk) 13:35, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

Undoubtedly, I'd love for there to be a tool to detect these. However I've never had much experience on the more technical side of Wikipedia.

Which also brings me to something I forgot to say, finding more people to help on this would be great. I'm semi-frequent on here and don't really interact much with other editors to know their "speciality". Although I am actively finding other people that could lend a hand, any assistance from you in finding anyone would also be quite nice.

PeepeeDino (talk) 13:42, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

My specialty is deleting articles and making pedantic fixes, but I also build my experimental WikiClicky tool. I can probably put something together for this too. GrinningIodize (talk) 13:44, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

Can you send me a couple of examples of the AI references and the normal references, so I can study the patterns and get a better idea of what you're talking about? GrinningIodize (talk) 13:48, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

Oh, that's really great! Already cutting down on unnecessary scrolling if the tool comes together. Give me some time to find more articles that follow the pattern (and adjacent articles that are not AI-generated for it too?). It might look a little clunky but I'll give the bare drafts so you can see what's really the scope the tool would search for. PeepeeDino (talk) 13:55, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

Awesome! Thanks so much! GrinningIodize (talk) 15:45, 23 April 2026 (UTC)