User talk:Mr Hall of England

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing all articles for bot-like editing against consensus (WP:NOTBROKEN) and not communicating when asked to stop.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  — Wug·a·po·des​ 01:25, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

You have been asked to stop replacing links to redirects with piped links because it is against our guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN. Despite these warnings, you are still replacing links, and the speed at which you are doing this makes me believe you may be using automated tools without permission. Mking a lot of changes quickly when those changes are against policy is still unacceptable even if done by hand. This is also not the first time you have continued to make edits after being asked to stop. For all these reasons, I have removed your ability to edit articles until you convince an administrator that you will stop making these edits and will listen when editors complain about your editing. There is currently a discussion at the administrator's noticeboard which you were notified about almost 5 hours ago. Please engage in that discussion. — Wug·a·po·des​ 01:34, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Mr Hall of England (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log) • SI)

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Request reason:

Sorry about that, I am trying to get the correct link to the page, I have a learning disability, I have done quite a few good things on Wikipedia, one of my projects is to get the Old Trafford links to the right place as the Cricket Old Trafford in some links. Also Old Trafford, Greater Manchester links should be moved to Old Trafford (area). There are 177 Old Trafford (football ground) which should be moved to Old Trafford Mr Hall of England (talk) 14:07, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Decline reason:

I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that

• the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, or
• the block is no longer necessary because you
  1. understand what you have been blocked for,
  2. will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and
  3. will make useful contributions instead.

Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 14:54, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

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This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Mr Hall of England (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log) • SI)

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Request reason:

I have read the guidelines and apologise to the individual, I won't do it again unless it has a reason. Mr Hall of England (talk) 18:09, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Decline reason:

This does not convince me that you understand what you did wrong, why you continued to edit the way you did after being asked to stop, or how you will change your behviour in future. You will need to explain all this before we can consider unblocking you. — O Still Small Voice of Clam 18:36, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

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I would suggest you take some time to look for a mentor, someone who is prepared to monitor your edits and help guide you as to what and what is not acceptable around here. Otherwise you're not getting back in this game. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 19:11, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Mr Hall of England (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log) • SI)

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Request reason:

I will stop doing the correct edits. I will make a comment after editing in future. Mr Hall of England (talk) 19:24, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Decline reason:

This vague statement doesn't address why you were blocked. Also, your talk page is huge. Please see H:ARC and follow the instructions. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:55, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

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Mr Hall of England (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log) • SI)

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Request reason:

I have learned my lesson, I have had a nice break from articles, my main concentration will be the Peerage and sport from now on. I was wandering if @DrKay can help me with the Peerage please? Mr Hall of England (talk) 19:44, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Decline reason:

I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that

• the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, or
• the block is no longer necessary because you
  1. understand what you have been blocked for,
  2. will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and
  3. will make useful contributions instead.

Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information. Yamla (talk) 14:06, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

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And what lesson have you learned? You've not once suggested any understanding of why you are blocked. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 19:49, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Alright I won't change a redirect. Mr Hall of England (talk) 19:50, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Mr Hall of England (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log) • SI)

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Request reason:

I have learned my lesson, I have looked at the guide. I have the Peerage to edit. This is my main concern as the UK Barons are not finished yet. Mr Hall of England (talk) 17:58, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Decline reason:

I know it must feel like we're messing you around, but I think you're missing the point. Saying "I have learned my lesson" is all very well, but you're giving us no indication that you actually understand why you were blocked, and if you don't understand why you've been blocked we have no reason to think you won't go back to doing it. You can't just say "I won't do it again", you need to explain (briefly) what you're not going to do again and why. Nobody wants to keep you blocked—you obviously want to help—but at the moment I have no way to judge whether the moment I unblock you you're going to go back to wasting other people's time, and the time of those other people is equally as valuable as yours. As an absolute basic start: do you understand what we mean by "cosmetic change" and "automated tool"? I think some of the problem here may be that you don't understand why what you're doing is against Wikipedia's rules. ‑ Iridescent 18:33, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

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This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Mr Hall of England (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log) • SI)

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Request reason:

I have a moderator User:Valereee, I hope that I will return to editing to wikipedia, but it is up to the Guardians of Wikipedia. Mr Hall of England (talk) 17:49, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Only one open unblock request at a time, please. Multiple requests will not serve to bring the process to a conclusion any sooner. SQL^{Query me!} 16:04, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

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SQL, I think that was just an oversight. —valereee (talk) 16:33, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Mr Hall of England (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log) • SI)

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Request reason:

I commit to ignoring redirects and will not try to "fix" them from here going forward. If I find a redirect that seems incorrect, I will ask at Teahouse for advice and help. I also will do my best to stay on top of messages and respond to them. I will keep Edit summary prompts turned on and commit to using edit summaries explaining all edits Mr Hall of England (talk) 19:57, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Accept reason:

Per the request, the editor seems willing to improve communication and not make unnecessary redirect edits which are what led to the block. Since the concerns are resolved, there's no need for the block and I've lifted it. — Wug·a·po·des​ 03:33, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mr Hall, I'm sorry but I don't have the time at present to be able to mentor you for editing - are the other any editors who you know who you might be able to approach? Apologies for not being able to help at the moment. Maybe try the Rugby Union project page to see if someone can help? I won't be able to update the Six Nations page as requested and will remove that from my talk page as it makes it a bit long. Sorry --Bcp67 (talk) 15:04, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

One think you do need to do is keep your talk page for messages rather than for testing out edits. You can create a sandbox for that by starting a new page as User:Mr Hall of England/sandbox and do your practise edits there. The talk page should just be for people to put messages for you.--Bcp67 (talk) 15:07, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

↑ Mr Hall of England, read the above and take it seriously. You still have access to your sandbox if you want to draft content; the fact that you're continuing to abuse this talkpage—which belongs to Wikipedia, not to you, and is intended only for communication—not only means you'll have talkpage access revoked if you keep it up but means you're demonstrating that you have no intention of following Wikipedia's rules and consequently will have any future unblock requests declined. That would be a really lame hill to die on. ‑ Iridescent 21:35, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Mr. Hall! I see you're having problems here. I am going to suggest you temporarily put aside your current goal of finishing the Peerage, and also put your unblock request on hold. If you'll do that, I'll work with you here on your talk page to better understand how things went wrong here on Wikipedia for you. I can't commit to an ongoing mentorship, but I will try to help you get to the point where an administrator might be willing to consider unblocking you. Ping me if you respond or I might not see it. —valereee (talk) 18:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC) Thanks @User:ValereeeMr Hall of England (talk) 21:38, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Great. Okay, first a bit of housekeeping: I'd like to get your work plan off your talk page, as this page should be only where you interact with other editors. It looks like you can do that yourself; please do it. You can move it to your user page if you like.

Second, enable Preferences>Gadgets>Browsing>Navigation popups.

Third, enable Preferences>Editor>Editing>Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary.

Ping me when you've done that. Best to you! —valereee (talk) 22:16, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

I will do that tomorrow evening. Thanks for the help.Mr Hall of England (talk) 22:26, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Mr Hall of England, okay, now everything below this section needs to be moved to your user page, where you've got other notes to yourself and stuff you've worked on/want to work on. Your talk page is only for discussing things with other editors and should contain minimal other stuff.

Let me know when you've done that, too. —valereee (talk) 10:27, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Great, thanks! Okay, we can work on understanding the reasons for the block, which is the most important issue here. First, let's talk about how you learn best. You've been pointed, apparently a few times, at WP:NOTBROKEN. I'm thinking maybe reading long passages is not a great way for you to learn, is that true? It's fine if it's not, we can work with it. —valereee (talk) 18:39, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

OK then @—valereee

Okay, since reading long passages isn't a good way for you to learn, you're going to have to follow one really hard-and-fast rule: if another experienced editor tells you something about policy, you can either 1. believe them and stop doing what you're doing or 2. ask for advice at Teahouse before making any similar edits.

This means you need to simply accept that redirects do not need to be piped, and in fact it is unhelpful to "fix" them. And since you don't understand the reasoning behind that, you need to simply ignore all redirects from here going forward. If you find a redirect that you believe truly is incorrect, you need to ask about it at Teahouse instead of "fixing" it.

Do you think you can commit to that? —valereee (talk) 15:30, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Copied from my talk:

Okay, the other concern expressed was that you didn't respond to messages. Whenever you start an editing session, check to see if anyone has left you a message. If so, check to see what they're messaging you about. It could be about something you did in your last editing session.

You've enabled edit summary prompting, which will help you get in the habit of leaving an edit summary for every edit. Edit summaries are just as important as the edits themselves; they tell other editors why you're doing something.

You've also enabled navigation popups, which lets you hover over another editor's name and see how long they've been editing/how many edits they have. Generally if someone with more than 10,000 edits is telling you something about policy, they're quite likely correct. Either believe them, or ask at Teahouse.

Can you commit to responding to messages and using edit summaries? —valereee (talk) 15:55, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

YesMr Hall of England (talk) 15:57, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Okay, why don't you try making another unblock request? I would recommend you use something like this as your reason:

I commit to ignoring redirects and will not try to "fix" them from here going forward. If I find a redirect that seems incorrect, I will ask at Teahouse for advice and help. I also will do my best to stay on top of messages and respond to them. I will keep Edit summary prompts turned on and commit to using edit summaries explaining all edits.

—valereee (talk) 16:12, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Mr Hall, that is not anywhere close to what I suggested you provide as your reason. —valereee (talk) 17:58, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Let's start again:

1. What are you committing to do?

2. What are you committing not to do?

—valereee (talk) 18:00, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I am committing to editing but not committing to redirecting Mr Hall of England (talk) 18:13, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "not committing to redirecting".

Here is what we need you to commit to, and to make a statement as a reason in your unblock request:

• We need you to commit to not editing redirects.
• We need you to commit to using edit summaries.
• We need you to commit to answering messages.
• We need you to commit to asking for advice at the Teahouse if you think there's a redirect that needs to be "fixed".

—valereee (talk) 18:21, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I will commit to them, where is the teahouse? Mr Hall of England (talk) 18:23, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Teahouse is at WP:Teahouse. You'll need to revise your unblock reason above. —valereee (talk) 18:26, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

re: your comment at my talk: Hi I haven't heard about my blocking lifted. Hope you are well, stay safe. Thank you for the well-wishes, I hope you are well and staying safe, too. You didn't respond to the block in a way that other administrators would likely accept. Please read the section just above, Additional concerns expressed.

Here are the pertinent parts:

Here is what we need you to commit to, and to make a statement as a reason in your unblock request: We need you to commit to not editing redirects. We need you to commit to using edit summaries. We need you to commit to answering messages. We need you to commit to asking for advice at the Teahouse if you think there's a redirect that needs to be "fixed".

You'll need to add to an unblock request a reason addressing all of these. As I suggested before, something like:

I commit to ignoring redirects and will not try to "fix" them from here going forward. If I find a redirect that seems incorrect, I will ask at Teahouse for advice and help. I also will do my best to stay on top of messages and respond to them. I will keep Edit summary prompts turned on and commit to using edit summaries explaining all edits.

—valereee (talk) 20:23, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

I will commit to those values Mr Hall of England (talk) 20:29, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

You'll need to replace the 'reason =' section in your unblock request with some statement like that one I suggested. I am not able to unblock you. You will have to convince someone else in your unblock request. —valereee (talk) 23:07, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

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Earl of Wilton	Marquess of Westminster	Created for Thomas Egerton with remainder to his Grandson Thomas Grosvenor who was the 2nd son of The 1st Marquess of Westminster.
Earl Granville	Marquess of Stafford	Created for Lord Granville Leveson-Gower, Leveson-Gower who was the 2nd son of The 1st Marquess of Stafford.
Earl of Effingham	Duke of Norfolk
Earl of Strafford	Viscount Torrington
Earl Cowley	Earl of Mornington
Earl Russell	Duke of Bedford	Created for Lord John Russell who was the former Prime Minister, Russell was the 3rd son of The 6th Duke of Bedford.
Earl of Wharncliffe	Earl of Bute
Earl of Plymouth	Earl of Powis
Earl of Gowrie	Lord Ruthven of Freeland
Earl Alexander of Tunis	Earl of Caledon
Viscount Bridport	Viscount Hood
Viscount Ullswater	Earl of Lonsdale
Viscount Bridgeman	Earl of Bradford
Viscount Daventry	Baron Southampton	Created for Muriel FitzRoy who was the widow of Speaker Edward FitzRoy who died in office, FitzRoy was the 2nd son of The 3rd Baron Southampton and Great-Grandson of The 2nd Duke of Grafton.
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Viscount Chandos	Viscount Cobham
Viscount Tenby	Earl Lloyd-George of Dwyfor
Viscount Stuart of Findhorn	Earl of Moray
Viscount Blakenham	Earl of Listowel
Baron Manners	Duke of Rutland
Baron Churchill	Duke of Marlborough (title)
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Hey, Mr Hall! This table probably belongs on your user page instead of your user talk. Your user talk is for discussion between you and other editors. Your user page is for things like notes to yourself about what to edit next, like this apparently is. —valereee (talk) 23:34, 22 December 2020 (UTC) Thanks —valereee

I ask (without anger) if you put this on my User Profile page, as I found this among the pictures at the head the page, and you are the only person in the page edit history apart from myself that is down as having edited something in it. It appears to have been an imperfectly put in illustration that failed to illustrate, leaving me to see only this:

| dummysize = {{{size}}}
          | align = left | nocat = false
          | caption = This editor is an [[Wikipedia:Service awards# (or )|]] and is entitled to display this .

Cloptonson (talk) 21:37, 26 December 2020 (UTC) If indeed you did do this I would appreciate if you could take remedial action so that the image is visible.

7 March 1974 4 May 1979

You've been blocked before for ignoring WP:NOTBROKEN, do you need to be blocked again? DuncanHill (talk) 21:13, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

No I dont't but I have been hacked Mr Hall of England (talk) 18:45, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing certain namespaces ((Article)) for continuing to violate WP:NOTBROKEN despite saying you would stop last time.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  — Wug·a·po·des​ 01:19, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

You said you would stop changing redirect links, and you're back to doing it again. If you have useful changes to make to articles, you can propose them on the article talk page. — Wug·a·po·des​ 01:26, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Mr Hall of England (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log) • SI)

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Request reason:

I have found my Wikipedia has been hacked editing the Postmaster General of the United Kingdom articles, sorry for the bad news, will try for a better password, plus I would like to have the opportunity to be back, I have in my summary auto filling with the words. Mr Hall of England (talk) 18:56, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Decline reason:

So very sorry, compromised accounts may not be unblocked. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 19:47, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

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An article you recently created, Hereditary Peerages created since the Life Peerages Act 1958, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 19:05, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip Mr Hall of England (talk) 19:27, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

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Portrait	Name (Birth–Death)	Term of office		Honour(s)	Prime Minister	Monarch (Reign)
	David Currie, Baron Currie of Marylebone (1946–)	2002	11 March 2009			Elizabeth II (1952–present)
	Colette Bowe (1946–)	11 March 2009	31 March 2014
	Patricia Hodgson (1947–)	1 April 2014	31 December 2017
	Terence Burns, Baron Burns (1944–)	1 January 2018	31 December 2020
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