User talk:Ulrich Eberhardt

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Happy editing! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:20, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Fermiboson was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

 The comment the reviewer left was:

I see a lot of sources about works and performances of the person, as well as primary sources announcing various things about the person, but no evidence of WP:SIGCOV of the person. The overciting doesn't really help your case when the majority of sources do not contribute to notability. Please read WP:NMUSIC and WP:NBIO, and if you think this decline was in error, name the WP:THREE sources which you believe contributes the most to notability to faciliate the next reviewer.

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Fermiboson (talk) 22:49, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi Fermiboson,

Thank you for the feedback. I understand that links to ensemble websites are primary sources. What about websites of concert venues? I understand that primary sources are not helpful for establishing notability, but it would be good to know if they can still be used as additional resources, or if they can be seen as clutter.

I had a look at the article you linked “User:RoySmith/Three best sources”, in which the – certainly legitimate – goal of eliminating “crap” from Wikipedia is stated. I hope very much that this article about one of the most reknown Iranian musicians currently working in Europe will be perceived as not falling under that category. I do indeed think that the decline was in error.

Here are three good independent sources talking about Kioomars Musayyebi’s work, all cited in the article:

- radio feature about his collaboration with composer Golfam Khayam on French public service broadcasting (Radio France):

https://www.radiofrance.fr/francemusique/podcasts/journal-de-la-creation/des-nouvelles-du-moyen-orient-5895185

- concert announcement on German public service broadcasting (HR):

https://www.hr2.de/programm/klassik-oper/konzertsaal--hoerbar-in-concert---das-bridges-kammerorchester-in-frankfurt,epg-konzertsaal-2140.html

- article in German online magazine about Iranian politics and culture:

https://iranjournal.org/kultur/musikalischer-brueckenbauer-musayyebi

I have studied the English Wikipedia’s notability guidelines for musicians extensively and already posted a list of points earlier this year, which I am copying in full below in the updated version.

I admit this is really lengthy, so to highlight just one of these points: In 2023, the Nouruz Ensemble, of which Musayyebi is a key member, received the Vierteljahrespreis der Deutschen Schallplattenkritik (Quarterly Critics' Choice, see reference below). In my understanding, this alone would suffice.

Thank you and Happy New Year!

Uli

1) “Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable … and independent …”

See several of the quoted sources. Examples:

website of a German magazine for Iranian culture

https://iranjournal.org/kultur/musikalischer-brueckenbauer-musayyebi

website of Biennale of Venice

https://www.labiennale.org/en/node/15930

website of Akademie der Künste Berlin

https://www.adk.berlin/en/programme/?we_objectID=67242

5) “Has released two or more albums on a major record label on one of the more important indie labels …”

Musayyebi appears on several albums, both solo and with ensembles – example:

https://www.discogs.com/release/28134787-Transoriental-Orchestra-Zip-Zip

was released on

https://www.challengerecords.com/catalogue/7/

I am not sure what a “more important indie label” is according to Wikipedia’s standards, but the parent label has released music by artists such as Enrico Rava, Chico Freeman, Roy Hargrove, a. o.

6) “…for example, having performed two lead roles at major opera houses … ”

Musayyebi recently performed as a soloist in a concertino for viola and santur – the places quoted below are not strictly opera houses, but instead one is one of the leading classical concert venues in Europe (Concertgebouw Amsterdam), the second is the broadcasting hall of a major German public-broadcasting institution (HR).

with Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra:

https://www.concertgebouworkest.nl/en/calendar/forbidden-echoes-2025-06-27/

with Bridges Kammerorchester:

https://www.hr2.de/programm/klassik-oper/konzertsaal--hoerbar-in-concert---das-bridges-kammerorchester-in-frankfurt,epg-konzertsaal-2140.html

He also appeared with Orchester der Landesregierung Düsseldorf:

https://www.tonhalle.de/veranstaltung/komet/13131-musik-wie-aus-1001-nacht

7) “Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city …”

He is regarded as one of the major representatives of classical Persian music in Germany. For this statement, I have admittedly not found a single explicit source – it is more something that can be deducted from the sum of information about him in general.

8) “Has won or been nominated for a major music award …”

With the Nouruz Ensemble, he received one of the most renowned awards of the German record industry, the Vierteljahrespreis der Deutschen Schallplattenkritik:

https://www.schallplattenkritik.de/en/quarterly-critics-choice/2023/01

With Transorient Orchestra, he received the WDR-Jazzpreis:

https://presse.wdr.de/plounge/radio/wdr3/2016/28/20161128_jazzpreis.html

12) “Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or television network …”

If I understand this correctly, this should be covered by the fact that Musayyebi has been featured more than once by major German public-broadcasting institutions such as WDR:

https://www1.wdr.de/mediathek/audio/wdr3/wdr3-tonart/musikinstrumente-der-welt/audio-die-persische-santur-100.html Ulrich Eberhardt (talk) 11:11, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Ulrich Eberhardt! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Fermiboson (talk) 22:49, 30 December 2025 (UTC)