User talk:White Spider Shadow

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Happy editing! :Jay8g [V•T•E] 21:20, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Much appreciated. White Spider Shadow (talk) 03:36, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello White Spider Shadow, how did you become aware of the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:47, 25 August 2025 (UTC)

Hello, ToBeFree. I think I saw it in the user contributions list of Slacker13. White Spider Shadow (talk) 23:16, 25 August 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much!

Well...

That's okay. It looked like meatpuppetry but finding it through that path is fine. Please disregard my message. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:22, 25 August 2025 (UTC)

Of course. Please let me know if there is anything else I can help with. White Spider Shadow (talk) 23:24, 25 August 2025 (UTC)

I think this got lost on Talk:Zak Smith so I'm popping in to put a slightly edited version here, too, in the hopes you see it. Regarding [t]herefore, if someone - either in the news, case law, or my research - identified their experience as sexual violence, I accepted their claim. This definition of sexual violence does not claim normative status, nor does it claim to be "truth"; I think you might be misinterpreting this - what the author is saying is that if an interviewee says they that what they experienced is sexual violence, she took them at their word. She's letting her subjects define their experiences, and they had experiences that they would describe as sexual violence.

Pretend we both eat half of the same sandwich. I say it's delicious, and you say it's gross. Neither one is "true" or "false" in an objective fact kind of way. And if someone is asking you about that sandwich, and you say it's gross, they're going to believe you. You ate a sandwich that you would describe as gross. No one gets to tell you that it wasn't. If I say "no actually it was delicious," that doesn't make your gross sandwich experience any less gross.

When Gray writes that This definition of sexual violence does not claim normative status, nor does it claim to be "truth", she's saying that there is no one-size-fits-all definition. She's not saying that she's unconcerned with accuracy or fact-checking, because it's not a fact that can be checked (much like if any given sandwich is delicious or gross). There isn't a checklist that needs to be filled out, or certain criteria to be met.

I hope that helps clear things up somewhat for you! NekoKatsun (nyaa) 19:54, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you for reaching out. I see your point. I'm going to re-read the source, and see if I misinterpreted it the first time around. White Spider Shadow (talk) 19:57, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

Your accusations against Morbidthoughts are getting very close to WP:OUTING and, as you have been referred to this document previously, I know that you know that outing is very much contrary to Wikipedia policy. I am asking you to drop this approach - I say this for your benefit more than theirs being honest. Simonm223 (talk) 11:27, 4 September 2025 (UTC)

I did not and am not going to publish any information that would lead to WP:OUTING of any editor. It goes without saying that harassment, including WP:Harassment, is unacceptable, and it is an approach that I will never take. White Spider Shadow (talk) 14:18, 4 September 2025 (UTC)

You have claimed to know about personal associations of Morbidthoughts - unless they have disclosed those personal associations on Wikipedia the claim to have knowledge of it is the claim to be prepared to enact WP:OUTING. You have not yet provided any information that is personally identifying. You can tell because I'm having this discussion with you rather than at AN/I. However your unproven assertions that this editor has associations with people involved in Mr. Smith's lawsuits is a threat of WP:OUTING plain and simple. Do not do that. Simonm223 (talk) 14:31, 4 September 2025 (UTC)

asilvering (talk) 20:18, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. Appreciate the links. White Spider Shadow (talk) 20:28, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

In response to your request for arbitration, the Arbitration Committee has enacted a motion in lieu of a full case:

For the Arbitration Committee, Jenson (SilverLocust 💬) 08:12, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the update. Do I understand correctly that the restriction does not apply for the extended-confirmed editors? White Spider Shadow (talk) 17:47, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

Yes, that is correct: once you are extended-confirmed, you are permitted to participate in the subject. Note that behavioral expectations still apply to extended confirmed editors. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:23, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

Of course. Thank you for clarifying. White Spider Shadow (talk) 01:34, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard § Arbitration motion regarding Zak Smith

This is a notice that I referenced some of the links from your recent arbcom case in a new case that was posted. Xkeylimepie (talk) 18:00, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Unfortunately, it's a topic that often gets an aggressive reaction from a toxic community. White Spider Shadow (talk) 23:27, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Agreed. Xkeylimepie (talk) 05:49, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a report involving you at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement regarding a possible violation of an Arbitration Committee decision. The thread is White Spider Shadow. Thank you. FDW777 (talk) 19:23, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

Okay.

I see that you chose to ignore my question regarding your edit. White Spider Shadow (talk) 19:33, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

@White Spider Shadow: Note that since you are not extended-confirmed, if someone rejects your edit request, you will not be able to contest it. I don't know if you're involved in the meatpuppet ring, but either way the best option is to move on. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 20:26, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

Noted, thank you. I still believe that the best option is to reach a consensus based on mutual understanding of the issue in question, but I suppose it will have to wait for now. White Spider Shadow (talk) 21:01, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

@White Spider Shadow: You have exceeded the 500 word limit at WP:AE. You may be asked to shorten your statements as a result of this. Just letting you know so you can save up space for what you truly want to say. Alternatively, you may choose to ask for an extension. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 16:17, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, I have noticed that, too. I made an attempt to shorten it, and noted that I would appreciate if an administrator could help with it. An extension probably won't be necessary, as several points I made are repeated (i. e., accusations of sockpuppetry that had been checked and refuted). White Spider Shadow (talk) 16:24, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Hey, WSS – I've closed the discussion with a consensus to page-block you from Talk:Zak Smith. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:52, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

A consensus to block me from a page that I could not access, reached by supposedly neutral people who factually were invested in the page, while raising some previously disproven claims about me. Let me know if I missed something there, please. White Spider Shadow (talk) 03:17, 18 December 2025 (UTC)