Talk:Barry Keoghan

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@Nardog: This is obviously wrong from an Irish perspective. I'm pretty terrible at IPA for Irish (Dublin English? RTE English?), so I'm not sure how to write it correctly, and while the The Late Late Show doesn't seem to upload full interviews on YouTube (I couldn't find any clips of the host introducing the guest with his full name, and he's just called "Barry" throughout what clips I could find), but you can hear an actual Irish reading here: it definitely does not have a /ɡ/ sound in the middle, and I'm very dubious about the /i/ in the first syllable. The latter is more like a /j/, at least as I was taught to write the English pronunciations of Irish names in IPA in college, and the IPA in Keogh agrees.

But if we don't know how to write an Irish pronunciation (the pronunciation used by the subject himself and members of his immediate family?), and I'm honestly not interested in being prescriptive about Irish name pronunciations for our American readers (who almost always pronounce Domhnall Gleeson's first name with an /m/ sound in the middle) anyway, and if your source (which I can't access for some reason... the video player just doesn't show up) actually does show someone pronouncing it /kiˈoʊɡən/, should we just delete the IPA since both the "American" pronunciation and the "Irish" pronunciation can apparently be sourced and is not really "wrong" if it's actually used by English-speakers?

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:05, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Hmm... the presenter in the same clip pronounced it more like what we currently have (still sounds like a /j/, though...), but he wasn't going to stop and correct either her or the announcer in his victory speech. I did also find this though, which shows an interviewer introduce him on a Dublin radio station the way I think his name is pronounced. Keoghan doesn't seem to correct him. This combined with the obviously carefully prepared announcer's pronunciation at the IFTA awards makes me think Balfe just slipped up. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:30, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

The link is working for me. Access it again, and refresh the page if it still doesn't load. It's probably because of your browser's tracking protection. If it still doesn't work, is the raw URL of the relevant fragment of the video. I've also extracted the relevant part of the audio here.

He clearly pronounces it with a voiced obstruent between vowels, which I hear to be [ɣ]. And if [ɣ] was to be mapped to any phoneme in English, it must be /ɡ/, as it is a possible allophone of /ɡ/ in this position (intervocalic) (see e.g. Cruttenden 2014:172, Hawkins 1984).

I transcribed it /ki-/ simply on the basis that it is more well-formed for most speakers of English as /kj/ in a stressed syllable is rarely if ever followed by anything other than /uː/ or /ʊ(ə)/ in native vocabulary (I doubt many monolingual English speakers can pronounce Kyoto as a disyllable without some conscious effort). The choice between /kiˈoʊ-/ and /ˈkjoʊ-/ in this case is not an easy one as he says it pretty quickly, but since they probably don't contrast for most speakers anyway (and I certainly can't come up with a minimal pair), I'm fine with either.

And, needless to say, the correct pronunciation of a personal name is invariably the one the bearer uses. I don't know if Keoghan speaks Irish, but if his own pronunciation of the name deviates from Irish, then that's a rather compelling piece of evidence his pronunciation is better regarded as one in English. Nardog (talk) 13:08, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Ah, okay, so he pronounces it as something like /kjoʊɡən/ (two syllables, stress on the first, definitely not the three-syllables currently given in the article) in that video, but virtually everyone else in Ireland (including, presumably, other members of his family, who needless to say share his surname) pronounces it another way? I'm not going to tell you my real surname, but I definitely pronounce it differently from how my father pronounces it, and neither is more or less "correct" than the other. (Actually, my pronunciation is an artificial one I use when talking to Japanese and Americans, as may very well be the one Keoghan uses in the Reuters video: when speaking with my own relatives and other Irish, though, I would be slightly more likely to pronounce it the way other members of my family do.)

So yeah, how he himself pronounces it is of more value to our article on him than how his non-notable relatives probably pronounce it, but we don't have any concrete evidence (apart from our own OR) that how he pronounces it in the Reuters video is what he would see as the only "correct" pronunciation, or even how he always pronounces it himself. (My name's not that hard, but a lot of my Irish expatriate friends -- literally everyone with a Gaelic name -- definitely have one pronunciation for Irish and people in Ireland and another pronunciation for foreigners abroad.) I would say (it's OR, but since it's talk page discussion my OR is as good as yours) that the preponderance of the evidence supports the idea that he doesn't see /kjoʊɡən/ as the only correct pronunciation, since radio interviewers and announcers at award ceremonies in his hometown have repeatedly pronounced it otherwise (and I can tell you that most people who grew up in Ireland but had not heard of him would do the same on first seeing the name in print).

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:35, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

This was a pure coincidence. Anyway, in terms of Wikipedia policy, the current article text (assuming /i/ is a typo and /j/ was what was intended -- the actual current article text is completely unsourced and totally wrong) violates WP:NOR, since it requires a specific type of life experience and prior knowledge (or lack thereof) to interpret the source as you have done. A first-generation member of the Irish diaspora would almost certainly interpret the source as meaning that Keoghan himself, as an international film star, has one pronunciation that he uses when talking to foreigners and another pronunciation that he uses back home (actually, one-syllable /kjoʊn/ and two-syllable /kjoʊən/ are probably equally acceptable in Ireland, so two pronunciations at home?). If a source requires interpretation to arrive at the conclusion our article does, that is OR/SYNTH. The bulk of the evidence says that /kjoʊ(ə)n/ does not consider /kjoʊgən/ to be the only acceptable pronunciation of his name, as it has been pronounced /kjoʊ(ə)n/ in radio interviews, at the IFCA awards, and almost certainly also on the national television program The Late Late Show, and he does not seem to have any problem with it. My interpretation of this evidence is also OR and cannot be added to the article as-is (i.e., a footnote saying Keoghan's surname is most commonly pronounced /kjoʊ(ə)n/ in Ireland, but when speaking to international media Keoghan sometimes uses the pronunciation /kjoʊgən/, which is closer to how most English-speakers would read his name as written.), but it's informed by a larger number of primary reliable sources and almost certainly a better awareness of /kjoʊ(ə)n/'s background (as an Irish person who frequently talks to international folks with no connection to Ireland) than your interpretation is. Given this, I think either removing the IPA or adding or /kjoʊ(ə)n/ would be the best path forward. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:31, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

BTW, the reading of "keogh-" as /kjoʊ-/ would be pretty intuitive for most people who grew up in Ireland. I suspect The choice between /kiˈoʊ-/ and /ˈkjoʊ-/ in this case is not an easy one as he says it pretty quickly is the result of your assuming that the "e" would be pronounced /i/ (and that the /j/ reading is a derivative pronunciation resulting from people speaking quickly and abbreviating syllables) based on non-Hiberno English spelling conventions. they probably don't contrast for most speakers anyway sounds very wrong, at least to me: your previous IPA rendering had three syllables (key-OH-gun). I'm... actually not sure if the phonological systems of certain varieties of English other than the one I grew up with don't allow for syllables consisting of /kj母/ (where 母 is any vowel other than uː and ʊ(ə)) and would rather parse it as someone /kiˈoʊ-/ very quickly, but that conversation seems like one for a different page. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:39, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

I came here hoping for some clarity because it seems like he's just being polite when people mispronounce his name. (There is the family name Keogh, which is usually pronounced like key-oh. I would have expected Keoghan to be pronounced like Keo-Han but that is not the case here. It is definitely not key-OH-gun or Keegan or anything else with a hard g, it is almost funny that Balfe got it so badly wrong right after the voice over but Irish people will misread Irish words too sometimes.) It is clear from the voice over from IFTA video that it is a variation that is pronounced much more like k'-owen, (see also Keown) and that is consistent with the Irish language where the 'gh' is almost silent.
So yeah, Keoghan - Keown. Best of luck with the IPA, I'm done. -- 109.78.198.49 (talk) 16:25, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

As I said elsewhere, if we could find a source of him pronouncing differently when around Irish people, I would support replacing the transcription in a heartbeat, for the correct pronunciation of any personal name is invariably the bearer's. So I really tried this time, specifically looking for Irish sources. And I found this (backup excerpt). Transcribed to the best of my ability:

D'Arcy:	Now, Mammal is a new mainly-Irish movie, which co-stars Barry—/kjoʊˈhæn/? Is it /ˈkjoʊən/ or /kjoʊˈhæn/?
Keoghan:	/ˈkjoʊɡən/.
D'Arcy:	/ˈkjoʊɡən/! Neither of the aforementioned, yeah. Because people—it depends on where they are in the country. K-E-O-G-H-A-N. Like, down where I am, it would be /kjoʊˈhæn/.
Keoghan:	Yeah. Now, people abroad, they tend to get it 'cause they pronounce it—the G—whereas Irish people are like, /ˈkjoʊən/. Um, /ˈkjoʊɡən/.
D'Arcy:	It's /ˈkjoʊɡən/.
Keoghan:	Yeah.
D'Arcy:	Well, you wouldn't if you see GH in Irish. It would—the G would be silent.
Keoghan:	/ˈkjoʊən/, yeah.

This shows he is well aware of more authentic Irish variants, and yet adopts the hard G as a conscious choice. I would still support replacing it if he switched to a more etymological (or any) pronunciation (like Hasan Minhaj did), but absent such a source we have no other choice. Nardog (talk) 17:28, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Interesting. Ray D'Arcy is an excellent source (and RTÉ should be enough to satisfy any Irish doubters), it isn't even surprising that he'd go through the variations like that (D'Arcy was a children's tv presenter for many years, and a radio presenter even longer). I wouldn't use the word "authentic" but if Barry and his family pronounce it that way then we have another variation, unlikely though it may seem. I'm very surprised he uses the hard g (but not surprised that he shrugs it off when people pronounce it in other ways) and that source should be more than enough to settle it. Although I would have to leave the exact IPA transliteration to the experts. -- 109.79.168.197 (talk) 03:00, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

In case it wasn't clear, by "more authentic Irish variants" I was referring to the ones without the hard G. He knows the name doesn't have a hard G in the Irish language, but he uses it anyway. Keoghan's pronunciation still sounds like trisyllabic to me, but that may be owing to him enunciating it for clarity, and phonotactic constraints are spectra (some say /s/ri Lanka, others say /ʃ/ri Lanka), so I'm fine with /kj/. Nardog (talk) 04:51, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

TLDR Keoghan clearly states his name in an interview on RTE with Ray Darcy (including clarification how not to pronounce his name). It is Keoghan with a hard g. -- 109.78.197.10 (talk) 16:15, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

His pronunciation is apparently parsed differently by those who grew up in Ireland and those who grew up in the US. I've never actually heard an American pronounce his name as three syllables with a distinct /i/ sound (usually it's more "KOH-gun" or "KEE-gun"), but the ongoing slow-motion edit war indicates that Americans who aren't accustomed to Hiberno-English think he actually pronounces his name as "kee-OH-gun" because that's how it sounds to them. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:57, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

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@Nardog: I know it's been over a year at this point, but do you happen to remember why you assisted this IP edit rather than reverting it? I thought I had convinced you on this point. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:57, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

You didn't convince me, I said I was "fine with either". I don't care if it's /kj/ or /ki/ as long as the IPA and respelling agree. Nardog (talk) 04:52, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

You don't care if the article is accurate...? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:52, 24 May 2026 (UTC)

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Per Template:Infobox person, the "partners" field description reads: "If particularly relevant, or if the partner is notable; "partner" here means unmarried life partners in a domestic partnership (of any gender or sexual orientation)". Sabrina Carpenter's article specifies that the pair lived together in a $4.4 million home, so would they not qualify as domestic partners since they cohabitated?

I'm also not seeing any discussion on the talk page as to why Carpenter is excluded from the infobox. I don't believe the hidden note is appropriate without a conversation or message to point to, but I won't be adding Carpenter or removing the note until a discussion has taken place. Sock (tock talk) 01:23, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Well, for starters there is no reliably-sourced content in this article that verifies that Keoghan and Carpenter lived together, which is what WP:BLP requires. Additionally, Carpenter's article includes a source noting she purchased a home, with a second source (which does not meet WP:RS), stating " is the perfect base to spend time with her Hollywood beau", not that he lived there. So, from the reliably sourced content in this article, you have a couple who dated for a year - that's hardly an "unmarried life partner".-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 17:40, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Template:Infobox person says in short <!-- (unmarried long-term partner) --> and in further detail "partner" here means unmarried life partners in a domestic partnership. People dating is clearly not what is intended by the Infobox documentation (but long unmarried term partners such as for example Eva Mendes and Ryan Gosling would be listed). See also above #Gossip. This is supposed to be an encyclopedic biographical article about his whole life, trivia about the dating life of celebrities should not normally be included. WP:NOTPUBLICFIGURE also suggests that non-celebrities people are dating should not have been included at all either. The Personal life section should be shortened to something more like "In September 2021, Keoghan began dating Alyson Kierans. The birth of their son was announced in August 2022. The couple split in 2023."

I can understanding editors adding information about Carpenter in good faith because it keeps coming up in the pop culture "news", but this is supposed to be an encyclopedia article not news, and I do not believe Carpenter should be mentioned in this article at all anymore. -- 109.76.129.217 (talk) 22:13, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia WP:NOTGOSSIP. I have removed all the dating information except for the mother of his child. -- 109.76.129.86 (talk) 13:16, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Again the guidelines warn against including the dating lives of minor celebrities, so I have again removed information about Carpenter from this article. There is no good reason for this encyclopedia article about the life of this actor to include any relationship details beyond but the mother of his child. If editors want to WP:DISCUSS and try to gain WP:LOCALCONSENSUS in favor of making an exception in this case then maybe it could be included but I doubt it (and would Oppose it obviously). -- 109.76.133.43 (talk) 14:14, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

Someone added Sabrina Carpenter yet again. This relationship of less than a year still seems like gossip that fails to the guidelines and doesn't belong in this encyclopedia. -- 109.79.161.185 (talk) 16:07, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

I see no reason to ignore policy. People added it again and I have removed it again. (Edit summary made no attempt to justify their edit, it said what the edit was doing but not why they thought it was acceptable. New account with only 2 edits.) This is supposed to be an encyclopedia. This is supposed to be an article about the life of a person, who they happened to date for one year is not information that belongs in an encyclopedia, again only a spouse or long term partner should be included. Feel free to reopen this discussion if anyone believes this information is so exceptionally noteworthy that it justifies making an exception to policy. -- ~2025-43070-44 (talk) 21:46, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

Removing easily verifiable information that was the center of a major pop culture moment (Please Please Please) video and not even citing any Wikipedia policy against this? I agree with not adding Sabrina to the Infobox but the fact that they dated was a very big part of pop culture in 2024. And yes, celeb culture when you're talking about a famous actor who stars in movies is encyclopedic. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 16:36, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

I see your opinion but I don't see anything to contradict actual Wikipedia guidelines. This is a biographical article about the whole life of a person, who they dated for a year is trivia, and their dating life is WP:GOSSIP -- ~2025-43070-44 (talk) 20:06, 31 January 2026 (UTC)

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Is Barry Keoghan's former relationship to pop star Sabrina Carpenter notable enough to be included in his article? PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 05:01, 3 February 2026 (UTC)

Yes as proposer. Attributed to several reputable sources: Guardian, Business Insider, Harper's Bazaar, Billboard, NME.

Though he has his own notability as an actor, his star power definitely increased following his relationship and then-breakup to Carpenter. I think to remove a one-sentence mention of the relationship happening at all makes and it isn't trivial or unreliably sourced information. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 05:14, 3 February 2026 (UTC)

• Yes. Restoring the 8 words, removed in this edit, would seem reasonable. Relative to coverage in reliable/verifiable sources (incl. BBC, Guardian, NY Times, etc). And those 8 words wouldn't seem WP:UNDUE (relative to that coverage and the length of the article as a whole). And, FWIW, doesn't seem to be the type of trivial or unsubstantiated "gossip" or "trivia" covered in WP:NOTGOSSIP (as the coverage refers to WP:LASTING impact and is covered in mainstream news sources; rather than only celebrity/gossip mag sources). Guliolopez (talk) 11:09, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
• Yes, in the personal life section. No, for the infobox. The personal life section could mention that he dated Sabrina Carpenter and that he played her love interest in the Please Please Please music video. Some1 (talk) 02:22, 6 February 2026 (UTC)
• Yes, in the personal life section. No, for the infobox. The personal life section could mention that he dated Sabrina Carpenter and that he played her love interest in the Please Please Please music video. My instincts are to agree with the 'remover', that this is intrusive trivia, but I somewhat reluctantly agree that the level of coverage seems to warrant a mention in the body. I also note the irony of our using a Guardian piece in which he complains about intrusion into his private life, to help to justify our inclusion!Pincrete (talk) 06:24, 6 February 2026 (UTC)
• Yes (Summoned by bot) to a brief sentence in the personal life section. No to the infobox. While there is enough coverage in reliable sources to confirm that they were together, it was only for a year. Alyson Kierans who he was seeing for two years and had a child with only gets three small sentences. TarnishedPath^talk 02:11, 8 February 2026 (UTC)
• Yes (Summoned by bot) I agree with comments from TarnishedPath, above, in their entirety.Emmentalist (talk) 09:27, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

• Yes, as per TarnishedPath Northern-Virginia-Photographer (talk) 17:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

• Yes in personal life, as above. --BDD (talk) 22:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
• No. A "briefly dated" relationship is tabloid celebrity gossip, not encyclopedic summary. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 05:16, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
• Yes, well referenced.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:38, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
• Yes per TarnishedPath. A short mention in the personal life section would seem consistent with standard practice. Coffeeurbanite (talk) 02:01, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
• Yes for personal life section No for infobox- (Brought here from RFC/A) I would assume any reader reading Keoghan's article would be more accurately informed with this information than not. As two members of pop culture dating each other we could see the value in the information.

MaximusEditor (talk) 20:36, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

• No Dating someone for a year is not a long term relationship and does not belong in this encyclopedia, and including it actively ignores WP:BLP. It seems the old rules this encyclopedia used to follow have been watered down yet again. This is supposed to be the whole life of a person, who he dated for one year is recent and not significant. Using WP:PEOPLEMAG as a reference is allowed but it should be a huge red flag about what kind of content this is. The reason this definitely doesn't belong in the Infobox is the same reason it doesn't belong in the article body either [i.e. it is not a long term relationship].
  I see that there is WP:LOCALCONSENSUS to ignore policy, and to include mention of his short term dating life. (His appearance in her music video was already included in the Filmography section.) I was unaware of the abuse and harassment he and his family was receiving from Carpenter fans, that part does seem almost noteworthy. Nonetheless a person leaving Instagram/X/Twitter is still WP:TRIVIA that does not belong in an encyclopedia, so I trimmed out that part. [Just because you can WP:VERIFY it happened does not mean that it belongs in an encyclopedia biography about the whole life of a person]. -- ~2025-43070-44 (talk) 10:09, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
• Yes in body, neutral about infobox. Although the relationship is comparatively short, the high notability and significant news coverage of both people involved makes it worth including. Short, high-profile relationships don't automatically make something tabloid celebrity gossip if they are sourced reliably. I like octopuses^{talk to me, talk to me} 17:16, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
• Yes (Summoned by bot) to a brief sentence in the personal life section. Agree with reasoning by proposer and @tarnishedpath — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emmentalist (talk • contribs) 06:52, 20 March 2026 (UTC)

Barry shared his drug addiction in a May 2025 interview with Hollywood Authentic (non-tabloid). I think I could do a decent summary, but I hesitate to add something so personal when he is trying to move past it. I did write about the bullying of himself and his looks because I thought awareness could help stop if not lessen the bullying. Thoughts? Sirald66 (talk) 19:42, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

There’s only one source discussing it (and it’s a primary source at that.) It probably isn’t well sourced enough for a mention at this point. As for your other point about him trying to move past his addiction/the bullying: that doesn’t matter for Wikipedia. If it’s significantly mentioned in RS, we will add it. If it’s not, we won’t. I like octopuses^{talk to me, talk to me} 20:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)