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Sexual assault
I removed the Sexual assault on Hilarie Burton section but was reverted by The lorax. I removed the section for two reasons: 1.) WP:UNDUE and 2.) because it was sourced to People.com. Now, I understand there numerous reliable sources popping up covering the incident but does it warrant inclusion on the BLP, let alone its own subsection? Let's discuss. Meatsgains (talk) 15:19, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
- I think it does warrant inclusion, based on coverage and Affleck's acknowledgment, but I think the previous version needs editing to describe the accurate claim and statements, rather than using descrptions and offenses that are not verifiable. Golta (talk) 16:21, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
- As wrong as he was to grope her—we can all agree on that—it only came into the conversation recently as a form of whataboutism in regards to his admonishment of Harvey Weinstein. He apologized (informally, in my opinion) and to be honest I don't think it requires being put into his wikipedia article unless we also talk about that video from the Anne-Marie Losique press junket that is being taken wildly out of context as groping. That was not only consensual but it was planned. Her words, not mine.Trillfendi (talk) 01:58, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
- Comment I am leaning towards not including, especially at this delicate moment. Allow time to gain more perspective and comply with WP:PERSISTENCE and WP:RECENT. If it continues to draw significant coverage from reputable sources over time, we could consider including it under a proper section. The incident, which in itself would be treated as WP:BLPGOSSIP at the time it happened, got blown up overnight as a result of the Weinstein scandal. Its inclusion would not only violate WP:SENSATION but also risk victimizing Hilarie Burton, who herself did not seek any public apology. Keep in mind, it is a featured biography of living people, which requires a high degree of sensitivity. Any inclusion of such incident would be used as examples for writing other BLPs. Artoasis (talk) 00:56, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
- Agreed - let's give it some time since it can be assumed this arose as a result of the Weinstein scandal. If additional reliable sources continue to cover the incident, then we can mention it in the personal life section. Meatsgains (talk) 18:36, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Information belongs on page. I even adjusted mistakes the other user made. The video showing the incident is even sourced as well.JoetheMoe25 (talk) 15:23, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
Why does the article mention Burton's incident but not Anne-Marie Losique's? It can mention she commented it was consensual, but it was still in the news. -85.250.83.116 (talk) 09:32, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
Sexual misconduct and TFA
Wow. Imagine my surprise to see that a man who admitted to sexual misconduct and was questioned about it on Colbert yesterday, was listed as the featured article. Even more surprising was that when I clicked on the article, there was no mention of the allegations against him and any references to the controversy had been scrubbed. Frankly, I've read the discussion above and I don't follow the rationale that because the allegations surrounding Affleck were revealed during the discussion of Harvey Weinstein, they shouldn't be included in the former's article. They exist, have been covered in dozens of reliable third-party sources, and should have been added before the article was featured. I'm at work right now so I can't make the edits myself until later, but it seems to me that there was a breakdown in the WP FA process somewhere. Affleck's article is very clearly incomplete and should have been removed from the FA queue when these allegations were made public. TritonsRising (talk) 23:19, 17 November 2017 (UTC) (edited TritonsRising (talk) 00:46, 18 November 2017 (UTC))
- Agree, the incident with Hilarie Burton, with Affleck groping her breasts without consent deserves to be mentioned in this article, especially after Stephen Colbert confronted him about the incident on his show.--The lorax (talk) 22:04, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
- Why is it relevant to this section to include a picture of the incident? Is it supposed to serve as proof that he did indeed grope her? Because I personally don't see any groping, or breast tweaking or grabbing, whatever you want to call it, in that picture. Does anyone else? On the opposite, it only shows him giving her a hug, with his hand around her shoulders and her laughing. And neither does the actual video on Yuotube show any actual groping, so how about being fair and unbiased and sticking with only presenting facts, instead of personal assumptions and interpretation? What is really important, that absolutely HAS TO BE included, is to clarify the inaccuracy and/or exaggeration of her claim because that she wasn't a "kid" at the time, in the sense that she wasn't a child or a minor. Miss Burton was 21 years old at the time, which made her a legal adult. That's a big distinction and it's necessary to be noted. Anyone reading the article might get the false impression. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.106.22.231 (talk) 13:55, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- Wow Kalei-tre-Cophe (talk) 03:02, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
