Talk:Cuba
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
| This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Cuba article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the subject of the article. |
Article policies
|
| Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
| Archives: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23Auto-archiving period: 3 months |
| Discussions on this page have often led to previous arguments being restated. Please read recent comments and look in the archives before commenting. |
| This article is written in American English, which has its own spelling conventions (center, color, defense, realize, traveled) and some terms may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus. |
| Cuba was a Geography and places good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | ||||||||||
| ||||||||||
| Facts from this article were featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on October 10, 2004, and October 10, 2005. | ||||||||||
| This It is of interest to multiple WikiProjects. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
This article has been mentioned by a media organization:
|
| Other: old GA nominee; On this day (2005); press notices; American English |
Section sizes
| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Recent History missing
From the Wall Street Journal, see: https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/u-s-oil-blockade-of-venezuela-pushes-cuba-toward-collapse-75289b5b?st=DNSP9U&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink Cuba has had a 15% economic contraction since 2018, and a quarter of Cuba's population has fled since 2020. I'd think that's worth mentioning. ~2026-25406-6 (talk) 04:00, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
Is Cuba truly a republic? It should say unitary communist state in the infobox form of government
Hello, I think the infobox description of box China PRC and Cuba are distinct, yet both are communist state in the sense of being governed by a leading political party under democratic centralism. ~2026-10610-81 (talk) 02:18, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2026
This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Change Unitary one-party communist republic to Unitary one-party communist state, because the word republic is too ambiguous. ~2026-10610-81 (talk) 02:20, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want made. BSMRD (talk) 02:31, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2026 (2)
This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Community consensus request, I believe the infobox about governmental system of Cuba should be simplified, likely saying Unitary communist state as in Wikipedia's People's Republic of China article. I am new on Wikipedia so I don't know how to invoke the community consensus thing. ~2026-10663-41 (talk) 13:55, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
Not done, if you think something needs consensus, you should start a talk page discussion first before making the edit request. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:18, 17 February 2026 (UTC)- @~2026-10663-41 Done The addition "one-party" was never discussed and breached WP:CONSENSUS. TheUzbek (talk) 19:15, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
The claim that pre-revolution Cuba was better than other Latin American countries socioeconomics
This claim seems to be supported by articles from political discussion sites rather than from any concrete academic sources, and both of those sources are about literacy alone rather than the broad range suggested by the claim itself.
I think that the claim should either be supported with a better source or the sentence should be removed. AntiSanskrit (talk) 18:45, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
- Yes, you are correct @AntiSanskrit:. I have adjusted the text accordingly. Burrobert (talk) 12:09, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
Government
One-party Marxist-Leninist unitary socialist republic
Sources: https://www.eltiempo.com/mundo/latinoamerica/la-nueva-constitucion-de-cuba-en-2019-348154
http://media.cubadebate.cu/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Constitucion-Cuba-2019.pdf
https://www.wipo.int/edocs/lexdocs/laws/es/cu/cu054es.pdf ~2026-12822-18 (talk) 20:02, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
Government infobox
Right here is where I declare my opposition as I see this as unnecessary and removes sufficient information because:
- "Unitary semi-presidential communist republic" is sufficient on it's own without being too vague or too detailed
- Just "Communist republic" is insufficient in information and I don't see on why you need to do so?
- Actual citations is in the article body and they explicitly mention about the type of government
- Overall, unnecessary and redundant as you are removing core information
GuesanLoyalist (talk) 02:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria GuesanLoyalist (talk) 03:59, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
- Please don't restore that until you get consensus for it.
- What source identifies the modern form of government specifically as "Unitary semi-presidential communist republic"? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:07, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
- Unitary:
- Julio Antonio Fernández Estrada (17 April 2018). "What is the Cuban's system of government?". On Cuba News.
The Cuban State is also recognized as unitary, which is evident given that Cuba does not function as a federation
- J C Guanche Zaldívar; E C Díaz Galán; H Bertot Triana. "Cuba: Legal Response to Covid-19". Oxford Constitutional Law.
Cuba is a unitary republic with a sui generis system of government
- "Cuba". Urban and Cities Platform of Latin America and the Caribbean.
Cuba is a unitary republic with a centrally planned economy that is divided into provinces and municipalities.
- Julio Antonio Fernández Estrada (17 April 2018). "What is the Cuban's system of government?". On Cuba News.
- Semi-presidential:
- Daniel I. Pedreira (2019-10-04). "New Cuban leadership reflects a rebranding of Castro dictatorship". upi.com.
Cuba's seemingly new political model is really not that new. Upon coming to power in 1959, Fidel Castro set up a semi-presidential dictatorship, under which he held firm control of the government as prime minister while placing nominal loyalists as figurehead presidents (Manuel Urrutia Lleó in 1959 and Osvaldo Dorticós Torrado from 1959 until 1976). Under the new Constitution, the president will appoint a prime minister, essentially dividing the positions of head of state and head of government.
- Daniel Pedreira. "Cuba". minnstate.pressbooks.pub.
Constitutionally, Cuba is classified as a Marxist-Leninist socialist republic with semi-presidential powers. The government structure includes the President, who is the head of state, and the Prime Minister, who heads the Council of Ministers.
- Daniel I. Pedreira. "SEMI-PRESIDENTIAL EXECUTIVE BRANCH INSTITUTIONALIZATION AND PERSONALIZATION UNDER CUBA'S 1940 CONSTITUTION". Florida International University.
The ratification of Cuba's Constitution of 1940 ushered hopes for democratic stability, most notably through the implementation of a semi-presidential system. Innovative for its time, semi-presidentialism sought to reduce the "perils of presidentialism" that plagued the Cuban Republic. Yet, over the next two decades, the Cuban Republic declined and fell as it devolved into authoritarianism and totalitarianism.
- Daniel I. Pedreira (2019-10-04). "New Cuban leadership reflects a rebranding of Castro dictatorship". upi.com.
- They were also directly mentioned in the article if you read that. GuesanLoyalist (talk) 04:24, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
- I did read the sources presented in the article. Some say something else - for example, the Minnesota Pressbook says "Marxist-Leninist socialist republic with semi-presidential powers", which is different from what you're proposing, while the Florida quote is referencing the pre-revolutionary state. But what source do you believe says specifically that the modern state is a "unitary semi-presidential communist republic"? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:31, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
- I mean, If cuba did abandon the semi-presidential system, then I would've seen the sources say that they did abandon it.
- But I didn't find any information about that though, and the semi-presidential powers can still refer to a semi-presidential system. GuesanLoyalist (talk) 05:20, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
- Found another sources that listed Cuba as parliamentary though
- GuesanLoyalist (talk) 05:27, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
- These state that Cuba abandoned being semi-presidential:
- Cuba (1940-1952)
- Cuba (1941-1952) and Cuba (1955-1959)
- Cuba 1940–1951
- We also include Cuba, which was semipresidential and registered a score of +1 or more from the time of the 1940 Constitution until the collapse of democracy in 1951, as well as the more wellknow historical cases of Weimar Germany and First Republic Austria.
- (Cuba 1940–1952
- But these state that Cuba IS semi-presidential:
- And these state that cuba is under a different system:
- Cuba (Presidentialism)
- Cuba (Communist state)
- Cuba (One-party states)
- Cuba (google translate says it's "cabinet system", which may refer to it being a parliamentary system?)
- Cuba (Parliamentarianism)
- In Latin America, meanwhile, Cuba as well as the other countries with parliamentarian systems in the anglophone Caribbean are not included. (Parliamentarianism)
- The debate on the adoption of the parliamentary system has been present throughout Latin American political history, in a very special way during the 20th century. In Mexico it was an issue that was widely discussed during the revolutionary period, in the run-up to the 1916-1917 Constituent Congress. It is a question that was also aired, on different occasions, in Brazil, Chile, Cuba, Ecuador, Peru and Venezuela, for example. (Unsure on the information)
- GuesanLoyalist (talk) 06:03, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
- For the government field in infoboxes, we are really looking to be as straightforward and constrained as we can be, avoiding a synthesis description that patches together descriptions from multiple different sources. Different perspectives and elements can be handled in the body.
- Nikkimaria wrote, "But what source do you believe says specifically that the modern state is a "unitary semi-presidential communist republic?" This editor put their finger on the issue. JArthur1984 (talk) 11:51, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
- I forgot to mention for the sources that I tried digging further into the type of government but got various sources saying various things
- There really isn't much consistency between them.
- GuesanLoyalist (talk) 22:18, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria, JArthur1984, and GuesanLoyalist: "Unitary semi-presidential communist republic" is factually incorrect. The Wikipedia article itself defines it as A semi-presidential system, or dual executive system, is a system in which a president exists alongside a prime minister and a cabinet, with the latter of the two being responsible to the legislature of the state. It differs from a parliamentary system in that it has an executive president independent of the legislature; and from the presidential system in that the cabinet, although named by the president, is responsible to the legislature, which may force the cabinet to resign through a motion of no confidence. Cuba practices unified state power, meaning the president is elected by and accountable to the supreme state organ of power. That is, the Cuban president is not independent of the legislature. Your suggestion proves why we should oppose long titles... Communist state informs on the most important aspects: one-party monopoly by a communist party and unified state power. TheUzbek (talk) 15:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
- Is the president still accountable to the legislature? Or are they assembly independent? GuesanLoyalist (talk) 22:20, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
- These state that Cuba abandoned being semi-presidential:
- I did read the sources presented in the article. Some say something else - for example, the Minnesota Pressbook says "Marxist-Leninist socialist republic with semi-presidential powers", which is different from what you're proposing, while the Florida quote is referencing the pre-revolutionary state. But what source do you believe says specifically that the modern state is a "unitary semi-presidential communist republic"? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:31, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
- Unitary: