Talk:Cyberwarfare by Russia

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) BilledMammal (talk) 02:57, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

Cyberwarfare by Russia → Cyberwarfare and RussiaCyberwarfare and Russia – First, using "and" rather than "by" avoids any perceived risk of WP:POVFORK, WP:POVNAMING, WP:POVTITLE, and WP:NDESC. Second, although WP:OTHERSTUFF applies, it makes us WP:CONSISTENT with the other national Cyberwarfare articles, which are all otherwise framed as "and". Third, "And" makes more thematic sense, because it allows us to include non-state actors in the article (for example, the material about cyberattacks by "Russian IP addresses" which were not be linked to the Russian government should probably be removed in the current framing as the are not "by" "Russia"). "And" also makes broader thematic sense, because cyberwarfare offensive and defensive capabilities, and perceptions and responses to threats, are intertwined in many ways. JArthur1984 (talk) 15:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Computer security, WikiProject Espionage, WikiProject Internet, WikiProject Military history, WikiProject Computing, and WikiProject Russia have been notified of this discussion. Qwerty123M (talk) 01:49, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose. I agree with your points about how the current title is not fully neutral, but changing "by" to "and" means that the title would not be as clear as it currently is, readers would be less informed regarding who is conducting the mentioned operations. This article is relating to cyberwarfare conducted by Russia, Russia is more than just another party to this series of events. This change would make the title far less WP:PRECISE and is very likely not the WP:COMMONNAME. If this change can receive favourable consensus despite my objection, the article would require significant reworking. Qwerty123M (talk) 04:46, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose. I don't see any POV issue with the current title. Russia widely engages in cyberwarfare against other countries; if there are non-state actors involved, they're definitively not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of this article. I find the "Cyberwarfare and country" titles to be fairly lazy and vague. Nothing spectacular, but a proposal addressing the OP's issue regarding "Russian IP addresses" could be renaming to Russian cyberwarfare, consistent with another form of Russian hybrid warfare, Russian disinformation. But I'd favor keeping the current title. Super Ψ Dro 14:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose. WP:CONSISTENT is not an issue I fail to see where you concluded that "are all otherwise framed as "and" : see Category:Cyberwarfare by country. There is nothing POV in title. I fail to see how the title forces one to imply be linked to the Russian government and what is more, how the title with "and" helps to avoid this implication, if any. Finally, If you need a broader sense, i.e. cyberattacks on Russia the title should be Cyberwarfare in Russia --Altenmann >talk 17:36, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

  Each 'national' article in that WP:CAT is indeed a consistent "and" but this one: Cyberwarfare and China, Cyberwarfare and the United States, Cyberwarfare and Iran.

  That said, your suggestion of Cyberwarfare in Russia addresses my points on scope and I would certainly support it as an alternative proposal. JArthur1984 (talk) 21:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose per Qwerty123M. Well said. - Amigao (talk) 22:35, 30 March 2026 (UTC)