Talk:Doc McStuffins

As it has been established that she was called "Dottie McStuffins" in the show itself at least two years ago, I have removed all the needless speculation about her name but left the relevant references. I also removed the duplicate references under the cast section. I can't see any reason to clutter up the text with another seven footnotes duplicating the footnotes that were just listed one paragraph earlier. In my opinion this never should have been a controversy anyway, since multiple articles from reliable sources said her name was Dottie. Those sources should have been trusted and left at that in the absence of any compelling reason to believe otherwise. This whole thing started because a week ago the editor said, "can someone please supply a reliable source linked next to "dottie" ? never heard her called this in the episodes I have seen, where does this originate?" Now we have seen that at least two years ago she was called "Dottie McStuffins" in the show itself. Can we please let this die now?

As to the "named or nicknamed Dottie" sentence, I removed that as well because there is no conceivable reason to say it. She is called "Dottie McStuffins" in the show. Various reliable sources have said that her name is "Dottie McStuffins." Yes, "Dottie" is frequently a nickname for "Dorothy" but there is nothing to suggest that's the case here. All sources say her name is "Dottie". To say it might be anything else is pure speculation. -Dwimble (talk) 22:44, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

12 December 2013 is not "at least 2 years", I find that misleading. Those sources being from generally reliable websites does not necessarily make them or their authors reliable, what basis do you have for calling them that? There is no basis for trusting them unless they cite their claims. There is reason to believe otherwise: the claim originated on Wikipedia before any known reference in a news article or an episode.

Being called Dottie in the show is not a basis for thinking this is her real name. She is also called "Doc" in the show. We also don't know if Donnie is actually her brother's full legal name or if it's just a nickname for Donald/Donatello or something.

Specifying when a name is revealed is perfectly fine. Far as we know, Doc and her mom went un-named the entire first season. Absent the quotes on the back of the DVD cover I found, you'd actually think Doc was her real name. 64.228.91.102 (talk) 19:13, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

I found an April 1, 2011 interview with Nancy Kanter, Sr. Vice President, Original Programing and General Manager, Disney Junior Worldwide, in which she discusses the upcoming Disney Junior programs. In her description of Doc McStuffins she says, "Doc McStuffins" is an imaginative animated series about six-year-old Dottie "Doc" McStuffins... This was a full year before the series began and predates any wiki articles. This should resolve any doubts about her name. I have edited the article again, using the exact wording from the article (i.e. "six-year-old Dottie "Doc" McStuffins"), removed the redundant, later references to her age and name, removed the mention of the "news article," since that is now irrelevant, and moved the main time.com reference (since it is used later in the article). I also changed the name under Main Cast back to Dottie "Doc" McStuffins to match the now primary reference.

As a side note, if you wish we can also add a note to the first known episode where her name was mentioned, saying something like, "Note: This is the first known episode in which Doc is called "Dottie."^[1]" Although that could just be considered simple trivia and therefore shouldn't be there. -Dwimble (talk) 02:36, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

I'll add it under the episode list, the first in-universe use of a name doesn't seem trivial. There's a huge difference between a a manager giving a name for a character during planning before its debut and the name actually becoming canon. Take for example Sheriff Callie's Wild West where she was called "Oki" in planning. This does resolve the earliest known appearance of Dottie and how it likely made its way onto Wikipedia (barring any future discovery of its mention in the first 11 episodes) although I still suspect the 2012/2013 MSNBC/Time authors checked Wikipedia instead of this 2011 article, that's irrelevant now since we are no longer relying on them. 64.228.89.137 (talk) 14:52, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Don't say "first known" as that implies an uncertainty that is obviously false as someone, somewhere, likely a writer on the show will definitely know this. Don't use it to express editor uncertainty, if that is the case, phrase the statement with something that is certain. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:16, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

The problem is that we don't know for sure that it is the first instance of her being called "Dottie" in the show. It is the first instance that the editor found, but there are 37 episodes before that. It is possible that her name was said in an earlier episode, and if so then that definite statement added incorrect information. What phrasing do you suggest rather than leaving out the note entirely until someone can go through the earlier episodes? I honestly don't know. Doc McStuffins is my youngest daughter's favorite show. I've seen most of them and heard her name mentioned a few times, but I honestly have no idea if episode 38 was the first instance of this or not. -Dwimble (talk) 15:53, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

To answer my own question. Maybe rather than "This is the first instance of Doc being called Dottie in the show" we should simply say something like, "Doc is called "Dottie McStuffins" once in this episode." Then when we are certain this was in fact the first instance, we can change it back. -Dwimble (talk) 16:02, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

That works. Best to say exactly what the editor adding the info knows can be verified by the reference given. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:24, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Anyone up to splitting this to a separate list page yet?

I'm also wondering if we could add a column for describing the name of the fictional disease that Doc makes up in each episode. It usually goes Doc "I have a diagnosis" Hallie "we better write this down in the big book" Doc "you have a case of..." then the name. This phrasing is also used in the Doc Files.

"SQUISHED-FLATATOSIS" is how the CC on my TV spelled what she diagnoses in "Professor Pancake" for example. How to stylize in terms of caps when CC is all-caps could pose some problems, as well as spelling or where to put spaces or hyphens, but I think it would be an interesting idea.

We could just work it into the plot section but it seems worth singling out. 64.228.91.102 (talk) 18:38, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Regarding the mom doctor's name indicated in http://www.dallasnews.com/lifestyles/arts/columnists/nancy-churnin/20131218-television-doc-mcstuffins-to-pay-tribute-to-local-doctor-in-january.ece#ssStory1349097

Can anyone confirm if these plans were followed through on?

If so, which segment uses the name, The Big Sleepover or No Sweetah Cheetah? Minute/second? Would like to skim to confirm. Is entirely possible for Disney to plan a name in December but drop it before the January air date.

If CC spelled it differently from the IRL surname that may also be worth mentioning. 64.228.91.102 (talk) 20:53, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

What is the current order based on, end credits? Would like to group humans and toys separately, they're mixed right now. How do we determine who is "main" or not? Episode percentage? 64.228.91.102 (talk) 17:12, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Template:Infobox television/doc#Parameters for 'voices': "Cast are listed in original credit order followed by order in which new cast joined the show.". Shouldn't change order or organize based on role played, emphasis should be on the actor, not the role. Determining main or not may be a problem if the production team did not make this obvious somehow in the credits or other show documentation. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:45, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

The CC clearly spells the receptionist's name Addie in the episode I watched (working in the McStuffina/Peerless clinic). That's how it sounded like when Dr. McStuffins and Doc both said it too. In what episode does it sound like or get spelled Hattie? Or are they separate characters? I realize Hattie looks closer to Hallie, could that be part of the reason people thought it was this? 64.228.89.137 (talk) 15:04, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Upon exporting the episode list can we have a column to list the fictional disease names invented in each episode? Lots end in "-itosos" and stuff. 64.228.89.137 (talk) 20:43, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Why wouldn't we incorporate these into the prose summaries if they are important? We already have problems with tacked-on content like the villain list in this article. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:50, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Critical recurring details can get lost in summaries, they stand out better in a column. WGs5 doesn't even use a narrow column it for some reason includes it on a new line. I don't like it since in WG villains aren't always villains and sometimes there can be many featured. 64.228.90.87 (talk) 21:18, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

"Critical" has not yet been successfully argued. Nothing is getting "lost" if it's included and on display within prose, because people still have a CTRL-F/COMMAND-F capability on most modern browsers. Not everything under the sun should be broken out into a unique column. Did Fonzie wear a white shirt or a black shirt this episode? Did Hawkeye use three-o or four-o silk to resect the bowel in S6E5 of M*A*S*H? And why do we care? How does that materially improve our understanding of the characters or of the general shape of the series? You'd never see this nonsense in Encyclopedia Britannica. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:16, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Find commands won't work if there is not a common criteria to search by, "diagnosis" would be a good one I guess. Your examples are not equal details, I think you know that a dishonest comparison. The diagnosis, drawing and BBOB log happens every ep I've seen. You probably would not see an article for this show in Brittannica, not seeing your point, we're better. 64.228.90.87 (talk) 19:02, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

You seem to conveniently be missing my other points, like the one I made about the villain list at the WordGirl article linked above. Are there villains in an episode? Yes. Are they integral to the storyline? Yes. Should we be tacking them on as statistical afterthoughts? No, because a well-written episode summary would include this information. Now, since you seem dissatisfied with my answers, why don't we shift the burden back to you where it belongs. If you want this information included, what community guidelines would you use to argue for its inclusion? What part of MOS:TV would encourage these additions, and what featured articles would you use as precedent examples? (Keeping in mind also that "other stuff exists" isn't the strongest argument.) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:12, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Fact-tagged the claim that each segment includes an original song, could be true but shouldn't we source it? Per above, if this is a consistent thing then we could actually dedicate a column towards listing the title of the original song used in the episode.

Regarding the recurring ones ("I feel better" and "tell me what's wrong" and so on) listing which segments they occur in under their description would be interewting, since they aren't used every single time, but seem to show up at least every 2 episodes (4 segments) or thereabouts. 64.228.90.87 (talk) 21:18, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Been there from start, in a lot of eps, why not in main cast? What is criteria for inclusion of char in this list? 64.228.90.87 (talk) 18:59, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Are there any indications of this? "Doc McStuffins Goes to Washington" is the first indication I can think of that it takes place in the United States (correct me if wrong but prior to that it seemed ambiguous enough that one could also think Canada) and that they take a plane to Washington DC makes it clear they are not in that immediate area. Any hints as to what state it might be in? 64.228.90.87 (talk) 13:38, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Is there enough evidence to determine if Doc is (1) actually using a magic stethoscope (2) simply pretending (3) actually thinks her toys are alive? Or has the show left it ambiguous enough that there isn't a point making statements about it or categorizing her on that basis? 64.228.90.87 (talk) 14:35, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

I opposed the WP:BOLD split as I would like to see it discussed for concensus and also see it done properly if it is done. Please take Wikipedia licensing rules seriously per WP:CWW and don't just copy other peoples work and basically claim it as your own. See WP:SPLIT#How to properly split an article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:50, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Support - I do support a split though as there is more than one season of episodes listed and normally the episode list is split out after there is a season 2. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:02, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Should leave this discussion open for a couple of days to ensure all editors who may care have a chance to comment. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:12, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Support - The main article is getting too long. Gatordragon (talk) 17:03, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Support - Supporting split per S2 norms. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:35, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

It's been 2 days, sufficient for any interested parties to weigh in, and no opposition expressed. I'll do the split soon. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:35, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

 Done May still need some cleanup for both articles. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:18, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

I like the split, attribution for work is found on the main article per section edits, and having a list page will make keeping track of future changes easier. 64.228.90.87 (talk) 21:37, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Some articles organize by character name and list voice actors in parenthesis, others prioritize cast, how do we decide which is appropriate? I can see benefit with some actors doing multiple chars to do it by actor since it avoids some repetition, but I wonder if we lose detail by that.

What if we did both, like cast on the main page and a List of Doc McStuffins characters to do it by char so more can be written about them? 64.228.90.87 (talk) 22:23, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Character lists tend to be preferable because they invite brief descriptions of characters. Cast lists tend to become cruft magnets, inviting every minor and insignificant character the actor has performed. (Guy #2, Mailman on left, Fart Cloud) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:52, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

@Bigg3469: in Special:Diff/690969886 you added Filbert as the middle name for Stuffy McStuffins but you did not add a reference. I have tagged it as citation-needed. Could you please relate where you got this information, like if it was an episode quote or something. --184.146.6.191 (talk) 14:08, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

I changed it to "Philbert" per the closed captions of the 4 March 2016 episode "Selfless Snowman". Since Bigg's claim was added 16 November 2015, we should look there and earlier for whichever episode first introduced the middle name, and see whether the CC spells it same or different. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 13:43, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

This has been fact-tagged since September with no sources being presented so far. I'm not sure who or when it got added to the article, if anyone wants to check if this provides an earlier date, but I found some dates on Wikia to get an idea how long the name has been associated with Doc's dad.

6 September 2014 someone created a page with that name. I very much doubt the reliability of all the data there though. A specific age and birth date, for example, or knowing where he grew up, is far too detailed to expect from this show.

13 June 2014 had someone add the name to a page which previously just called him Mr. McStuffins. If this is based on anything canonical, we would probably be looking prior to this date for its debut.

the same day this was added to the article. It was by Bigg, who also added Dottie to Doc and Filbert to Stuffy, and this all ended up being true, so I am inclined to assume good faith here, though I'd still like to know the specific source.

13 June 2014 is what the episode list page indicates is the debut date of "Dad's Favorite Toy" and "Chilly and the Dude". The first in particular sounds like a good place to look for Marcus-related info. I think I saw that one and don't remember anything, but it might be something subtle like a name being written on Serge.

In taking a look, I did find the name used here, but I am not sure if this is official merch or not:

"Disney DOC MCSTUFFINS 16 Piece Cake Topper Set Featuring Doc McStuffins, Stuffy, Hallie, Dr. Myiesha McStuffins, Marcus McStuffins and Frida Fairy". Amazon.com. Archived from the original on 9 March 2016. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

I also found this recurring in another product but like the above there is no date given for whenever it first got added to Amazon, although in this case it had an existing archive from April 2015. It also spells the mother's name like in the closed captions (Maisha) and not "Myiesha" like the IRL doctor she's named after.

"Disney Store Doc McStuffins Figurine Playset With PARENT & Hallie Figures Exclusive 6pc Set". Amazin.com. Archived from the original on 27 April 2015. Set Includes: Doc McStuffins, Maisha McStuffins, Marcus McStuffins, Stuffy, Hallie, Frida .. This all-new Doc McStuffins figurine playset from the Disney Store includes includes Doc and her parents Maisha and Marcus so she can create her own family practice. Set Includes: Doc McStuffins, Maisha McStuffins, Marcus McStuffins, Stuffy, Hallie, Frida Fairy {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

Knowing the earliest debut of these 6 and 16 piece topper sets could be useful, if we can't find anything from the show to support it then Marcus' name may very well only be canon through secondary media like this.

Part of the problem I have with relying on this, aside from not knowing if this cake topper set is official or not, is I don't know when it came out. I only just archived the page now, and don't know when this product began marketing. If it is recent, it is entirely possible that someone simply wrote up the description based on Marcus being present on Wikia or here.

Ideally if we can find either an episode cite or a product released prior to July 2014 this would be a stronger argument for retaining the name. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 14:01, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Cut all fictional character ages that are unsourced. Age cruft is rampant and there's rarely anything crucial about knowing a character's specific age. Wikia should not be considered at all when fleshing out articles. I still vigorously disagree with your use of closed-captions as the source of specifics. As noted, closed-captions are often transcribed based on what the transcriber hears, rather than plucked out of scripts. Without knowing whether the on screen captions come from the script or are interpreted, the information will always be dubious at best. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:21, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

What ages are you talking about? Dottie's is sourced and if it is notable enough to mention on the back of the cover when selling episodes on DVD it is notable enough to include here.

Closed captions are an assist if we don't know how to spell words spoken off the show and have no other source to go by. I didn't have this problem with hearing numbers though. Ranze (talk) 02:35, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

I don't quite get why this was split into a new "Ages" section, since my response was to the editor above me regarding one of their notes. I'd appreciate it if you'd please remove the heading. That user did mention age, so I commented on it. The captions are useful for personal edification, but they are not de facto reliable. As noted in my comment, closed captioning doesn't always coincide with what a show's script says because they're often transcribed by ear, or sometimes mechanically (see this for example) rather than extracted from a script document. That means that human interpretation/error is very possible. Unless you know for sure which shows caption directly from scripts (and I don't know how you'd know that), it is assumptive to think that the spelling you find in captions is reliable enough for inclusion in articles. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:54, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

I spent a solid year watching this with my daughter on Disney Junior in the UK and the voices were not dubbed by British actors. They were the original American voices. I don't know if Disney Junior did ever broadcast a dubbed version - but if they did they stopped, so the information (which appears here twice) is misleading. Does anyone know if this British version was ever shown on TV?

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Note that voice cast and characters separate sections changed to voice cast and characters in 1 section. Just to note all users. Also added inforation about the toys in the series. Some characters have not been added, so i will add them in the future.

Many Thanks,

65.95.43.109 (talk) 19:59, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

So the other day I watched an episode and heard f***ing good Lula but it actually was looking good Lula so get your voice actors saying stuff more carefully ok 86.6.64.157 (talk) 13:05, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Someone changed the creator and production company to Bill Lawrence/Doozer instead of Chris Nee/Brown Bag. Theme song was also changed to the Scrubs theme before being corrected. This is clearly a Scrubs gag, not sure if I caught them all. Alexmahdavi (talk) 06:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)