Talk:Jennifer Lien
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No mention of her arrest record?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGGSZ-lGZVg
Come on, guys. The info is out there.104.129.196.115 (talk) 15:13, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
- ...and the information is in there (it's at the end of the "Personal life" section. - SummerPhDv2.0 16:48, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
- sort of glossed over, tho' - this reads like a fangirl page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.169.45.151 (talk) 10:36, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
- It's a question of WP:WEIGHT. Lien is best known for her acting career. Most of the sources are about her career.
- Yes, we have a few sources that mention her arrests. We mention her arrests. If there was wall-to-wall media coverage, live TV coverage of police chases, made for TV movies, books, documentaries and riots, we'd have that coverage. Instead, we have brief mentions in a few sources. - SummerPhDv2.0 19:55, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry I don't understand - she was arrested for indecent exposure in the presence of children and yet no where can I find what her court sentence was - I see that her attack on police got her a fine and a required mental health supervision but nothing about the sentencing for the sex crime?--2600:8800:FF0E:1200:1962:B311:16B2:F79B (talk) 11:06, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- You've jumped ahead several steps in the legal system. She was arrested for allegedly exposing herself in the presence of children. We do not have sources saying she was charged for exposing herself. We do not have sources saying she accepted a deal, pled guilty or was convicted for exposing herself. You've skipped those steps, assumed the outcomes and want to know what the sentence was. It is entirely possible that charges were dropped, an alternative to sentencing was offered and accepted or sources simply don't exist. - SummerPhDv2.0 17:37, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry I don't understand - she was arrested for indecent exposure in the presence of children and yet no where can I find what her court sentence was - I see that her attack on police got her a fine and a required mental health supervision but nothing about the sentencing for the sex crime?--2600:8800:FF0E:1200:1962:B311:16B2:F79B (talk) 11:06, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- "this reads like a fangirl page" Strong Agree to that. 24.20.112.203 (talk) 20:19, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- sort of glossed over, tho' - this reads like a fangirl page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.169.45.151 (talk) 10:36, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Uncited (mis)information near the bottom of the career section
The sentence "Lien's Voyager contract was not renewed after season three to allow Jeri Ryan to join the cast as Seven of Nine within the existing budget." does not have a source and I can find no proof of this claim.
There's a long time argument around the situation within the star trek Fandom. Some believe that the show was failing so 7of9 was brought for sex appeal but this too has not been proven to be accurate. Early in the show it was explained that Lien's character was a species with a very short lifespan and it was always the plan that she would leave the show at some point. Ciper (talk) 11:20, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- There is a lot of murky information and rumours surrounding the exact reasons as to why Ms Lien was let go after the third season. Including that Jeri Ryan was always intended to join the show, but actually at the expense of a different cast member who was given a last minute reprieve, and that Ms Lien had done something to anger one of the producers. There is possible credence to both of these points, given the onscreen events in the third season finale "Scorpion, Part I" and the timing of Kes' return in the sixth season episode "Fury", but again as with your original point this is all just conjecture. StolenEyes (talk) 18:59, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
- Per this article, Lien was let go due to a combination of substance abuse & mental health issues interfering with her ability to perform. I don't know that Heavy.com is a WP:RS, but the article is actually claiming to get its info from interviews in the book Star Trek Voyager: A Celebration. I may pick up that book and see if I can put together some proper sourcing so we can update the article. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 17:21, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
- There’s another article on the topic that was released on SyFy.com. The original article is gone now but here’s the way back machine link: New Star Trek: Voyager Book Reveals Mulgrew Pressures, Clarity on Kes, and More
- I can add this as a second source? This one has direct interviews with the writers of the Celebration book.
- I don’t personally have the book but if you ever did pick it up or if anyone else has it, it looks like there is probably more detailed info in there via cast and crew interviews? Catfrost (talk) 07:35, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- The problem is that interviews are primary sources. Contentious information in a BLP should be supported by reliable secondary sources. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 18:16, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
- Per this article, Lien was let go due to a combination of substance abuse & mental health issues interfering with her ability to perform. I don't know that Heavy.com is a WP:RS, but the article is actually claiming to get its info from interviews in the book Star Trek Voyager: A Celebration. I may pick up that book and see if I can put together some proper sourcing so we can update the article. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 17:21, 2 February 2023 (UTC)