- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. Cases like this are exactly what WP:DIFFCAPS is for. There is very little policy-based opposition to this move, and nobody has shown that the capitalization difference isn't enough to differentiate the two subjects, especially when "modern baseball" as a term referring to the sport does not have a particular meaning that can be picked out, and when it's a term that's used somewhat infrequently. (closed by non-admin page mover) Skarmory (talk • contribs) 23:45, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Modern Baseball (band) → Modern Baseball – Page was moved without consensus. WP:DIFFCAPS should be enough of a disambiguation here, parentheses are unnecessary. The Midnite Wolf (talk) 12:50, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nomination, paired with Modern Baseball → deleted to make room for move. This newly-created two-entry disambiguation page lists only one topic — the band Modern Baseball — and one redirect — modern baseball, which should flow to History of baseball in the United States, a lengthy article which does not even specify any particular point in time at which baseball came to be considered as "modern". The dab page is thus unnecessary and any uncertainty can be handled via a hatnote atop the band's entry — For the modern era in baseball, see History of baseball in the United States or perhaps — For baseball timeline, see History of baseball in the United States. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 14:25, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose modern baseball in books refers to baseball not a Philadelphia emo band. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:45, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose In the past 12 months, this page has had a total of 11 page views, less than 1 per month. If a reader searches for "modern baseball", with any capitalization, it's overwhelmingly more probable that they're looking for information about the sport than about this obscure band. CodeTalker (talk) 14:55, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nomination. Also worth noting that the words "modern baseball" only appear twice in history of baseball in the United States, four times in history of baseball, and once in history of baseball outside the United States. I'm not convinced that's enough usage to tie the term to any of those pages with any primacy. A hatnote on the band's page linking back to history of baseball would do the job just fine. And I will definitely dispute the mover's assessment of the band as "obscure" when their third album charted in three countries. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 19:08, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nomination and Roman Spinner. As I noted above, the band received 116k pageviews last year. That's enough to make me think that anyone searching with capitals wants the band, not a disambiguation page with only one other thing on it (that isn't even explicitly titled "Modern Baseball"). A hatnote works well enough. Nohomersryan (talk) 20:09, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support reversion of this undiscussed move (this should have been a technical request). There is no other article titled Modern Baseball, or "modern baseball" for that matter. In fact, modern baseball has been averaging only 2 hits per day while Modern Baseball is getting 280. Almost no one is searching for "modern baseball", with or without caps, expecting a baseball article. A hatnote is more than enough. Station1 (talk) 20:19, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support. This should have been a technical request, per above. The burden is on the person who wants the page controversially moved, not this way around. As it stands, all this new move does is add a small disambiguation page, that isn't really disambiguating much. Clearly, the band is the primary topic for "Modern Baseball" per views. --Quiz shows 22:26, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - I wholeheartedly agree that the burden is on the person who wants to move the ensemble article away from Modern Baseball. --Jax 0677 (talk) 09:24, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support - Support move to Modern Baseball. CAPS is sufficient disambiguation, and a hat note can be added to that page. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:06, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nom, especially since the page seems to have been moved against consensus in the first place. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 15:22, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. Capitalisation is no disambiguation whatsoever, given some sources capitalise anything and everything. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:18, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. Agree with editors In ictu oculi, CodeTalker and Necrothesp. The band should keep its dab qualifier, "(band)", and the dab page should remain per WP:TWODABS. No way should the band be the primary topic at the base name, no way. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 12:29, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support. I'm not convinced that "modern baseball" is a term that has a coherent, regularly used meaning in relation to the sport. A look at History of baseball in the United States suggests a variety of plausible start dates for "modern baseball" – is it 1845, when the
first team to play baseball under modern rules
was established? Is it 1876, when the National League was established? Is it some time after the dead-ball era? The Google Books results are similarly inconsistent: did modern baseball begin with the Federal League's emergence in 1913, the Black Sox scandal of 1919, or within the past twenty years? By contrast, the band "Modern Baseball" has a clear and specific definition – and, as shown by Nohomersryan above, that subject is sought by thousands of readers. The hatnote proposed by Roman Spinner is more than sufficient for clarification. Finally, I will emphasize WP:DIFFCAPS, which is policy and which further supports the proposed move. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:28, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
