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Edit request: Remove statistical rankings from lead section
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Proposed change: Please remove the following sentences from the lead section: "Moldova is the poorest country in Europe by GDP per official capita, and much of its GDP is dominated by the service sector. It has one of the lowest Human Development Indexes in Europe, ranking 86th in the world (2023). Moldova ranks 74th in the world on the Global Innovation Index as of 2025." Note on prior discussion: This request may be controversial (though I believe there is strong evidence for it), so I have made a good-faith attempt at community discussion. I raised these concerns in the section "Discussion: Statistical rankings in the introduction" on this talk page approximately three weeks ago. No editors responded or raised objections. I am submitting this formal edit request after allowing reasonable time for community input. Reason:
The Economy section already covers these indicators with appropriate context. Removing them from the lead aligns the article with Wikipedia's Manual of Style for country articles (WP:COUNTRYDETAIL, MOS:LEADREL) and with how comparable European country articles are structured. Superchordate (talk) 15:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) | |
Not done: your request appears to have been generated by a large language model. Day Creature (talk) 16:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
- I did use AI to help research the request. I'm new to Wikipedia, so that was much faster than manually researching. I didn't use it to write suggested Wikipedia content; this is a request only for removing content. I did confirm the references, and I expect the points are valid. Please let me know if they aren't. Superchordate (talk) 20:31, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
Not done: The use of AI chatbots to generate talk page posts is also not allowed, per WP:AITALK. Letting a chatbot do the thinking and researching for you isn't a great way to learn how to use Wikipedia. Day Creature (talk) 23:02, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
- I see. How do you recommend I proceed? ~2026-30392-24 (talk) 02:20, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
- You're welcome to make a new edit request without the use of AI. Day Creature (talk) 03:22, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
- Done. You were right: the bot didn't get the policies quite right and it was a useful exercise to go through this in more detail and think about it more. Thanks much! Superchordate (talk) 17:58, 22 May 2026 (UTC)
- You're welcome to make a new edit request without the use of AI. Day Creature (talk) 03:22, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
- I see. How do you recommend I proceed? ~2026-30392-24 (talk) 02:20, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
- I did use AI to help research the request. I'm new to Wikipedia, so that was much faster than manually researching. I didn't use it to write suggested Wikipedia content; this is a request only for removing content. I did confirm the references, and I expect the points are valid. Please let me know if they aren't. Superchordate (talk) 20:31, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
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Seeking Consensus: Policy Violations in Lead
Seeking concensus regarding addressing issues in the Lead.
First, the problems with the Lead:
- "Moldova is the poorest country in Europe by GDP per official capita, and much of its GDP is dominated by the service sector. It has one of the lowest Human Development Indexes in Europe, ranking 86th in the world (2023). Moldova ranks 74th in the world on the Global Innovation Index as of 2025." violates WP:COUNTRYDETAIL by restating information that is available in the infobox: "Overly detailed information or infobox data duplication such as listing random examples, excessive numbered statistics or naming individuals should be reserved for the infobox or body of the article."
- The framing "poorest country in Europe" violates WP:NPOV because "poorest" is an unprecise value statement: "Prefer nonjudgmental language: A neutral point of view neither sympathizes with nor disparages its subject (or what reliable sources say about the subject), although this must sometimes be balanced against clarity. Present opinions and conflicting findings in a disinterested tone."
- Beyond that, the statement is inaccurate: List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita shows Ukraine and Kosovo ranking below Moldova.
I think the best way to fix this is to make that last paragraph match the format of neighboring countries Romania and Ukraine: list the categorization of the country (developing/developed/etc.), economy (transitional/low-income/etc.) and then list organizations the country belongs to (United Nations, etc.). More research will be necessary to get that right, but I want to get the community's input before I do that research.
I'm curious what other editors think. Please reply if you agree or disagree, and why. Thank you! Superchordate (talk) 17:56, 22 May 2026 (UTC)
- Hi Superchordate, it would have been easier if you had numbered you thoughts. Anyway,
- 1) I agree that these sentences should not be in the lead, but in the body of the article. For me, a usual editor who does not edit or read many countries, I would not have noticed "HDI (2023) Increase 0.785[12] high (86th)" in the infobox (having no idea what it means), but the sentence "It has one of the lowest Human Development Indexes in Europe, ranking 86th in the world (2023)." is full of interesting information to me.
- 2) and 3) fully agree. Lova Falk (talk) 07:34, 23 May 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you! Good call about numbering - will do that next time. ~2026-30392-24 (talk) 21:33, 24 May 2026 (UTC)
CIA written article.
It should be disclosed the close connection many NGOs and other organizations cited in the article have with the CIA, US State department and any well known disinformation centers. ~2026-36004-43 (talk) 14:26, 21 June 2026 (UTC)
