Talk:Sasha Grey

There seems to be an IP vandal in Sri Lanka who has been steadily making small vandalistic edits. I reversed it, but I hardly edit anymore so it would be nice if people could keep an eye on it. Speciate (talk) 00:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Is it vandalism? Looks more like focusing on notability. We should look carefully at that list. --Hipal (talk) 01:20, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Looking closer, the article has broad BLP, RS, NOT, and POV problems, so much that it's difficult to separate encyclopedic content from WP:FANCRUFT. The poor and promotional references should be removed or only used strictly following all relevant policies and guidelines (generally, when paired with far better references). --Hipal (talk) 17:19, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't know. Just glancing at the article she's been in a movie with an article, a band with an article, and there are lots of typical sources for celebrities (which aren't quite as reliable as others, but good enough). It would be best to leave the article in its pre-vandalized state lest we be accused of bias against sex workers or against women in general. Speciate (talk) 23:31, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Her notability as a porn star exceeds all else she's done. Her notablity as a writer may be nonexistant, and not much more as a musician. We need to get rid of the poor sources and what's left to indicate notability. --Hipal (talk) 02:06, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

This is not a WP:Notability concern, it is a WP:WEIGHT issue. Speciate (talk) 23:19, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying. I agree. I was not referring to the notability guideline. --Hipal (talk) 16:53, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Has 7 citations. That needs to be reduce down to 4 at the most per WP:OVERCITE. Can editors think about which citations can be removed. TarnishedPath^talk 09:11, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Citation overkill is an essay, not a policy or guideline. It also says up to three citations is a good rule of thumb (not absolute limit) for each section of text that may be challenged or is likely to be challenged. That could apply to individual claims within a sentence as well as complete sentences. If there are readability concerns, it suggests WP:BUNDLING citations rather than deleting references outright. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 11:29, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

@Sangdeboeuf then I say we bundle them all at the end of the sentence, because one citation at the start, three in the middle and three at end of sentence is horrible on the eyes. Ps, do you any reason why you reverted to remove detail that was sourced, other than not liking my edit summary? TarnishedPath^talk 11:42, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

Disagree, since that would break text-source integrity and be confusing for readers. I'd be fine with moving the citations for American actress, model, writer, musician, and former pornographic film actress to the body and out of the lead section.

You added Grey's full birth date based on a single, brief newspaper profile that didn't appear to include any in-depth reporting or even an attempt to reach the subject for comment. Therefore I maintain we should err on the side of caution and simply list the year of birth. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 11:55, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

Please quote to me the bit of that policy which states that a mention from a single reliable source is insufficient if there is no WP:SIGCOV. TarnishedPath^talk 12:10, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

Per WP:BLP: Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public. A single low-quality news article does not imply widely published in my opinion. See also WP:ONUS. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 12:20, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

@Sangdeboeuf WP:ONUS is why we're discussing it. I'll have a search tomorrow to see if I can find more sources.

Ps, I agree with your suggestion to move the sources to the body where all of the facts are covered anyway. Per MOS:LEAD we don't need them there for stuff that is relatively uncontentious. TarnishedPath^talk 12:32, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

Her birthday is 03-14-1988. "March 14" according to her verified x/twitter account: https://x.com/sashagrey/status/1371585946118856705. Other citations: https://x.com/SashaGrey/status/1503527970601783296 and https://x.com/SashaGrey/status/1239022855595028480. "1998" is already in the article. Source: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/sasha-grey-particulars/article4277473/. 2804:7F0:8459:AF2F:840F:FFBC:62E9:BCF6 (talk) 19:00, 3 November 2025 (UTC)